Classic LSE to RR S/C?

[ehasler]

I'm not quite sure how, but casually checking out the classifieds to see how much upgrading my Classic to a P38 would cost me has ended up with me seriously considering buying a new shape RR Supercharged.

I've pretty much settled on an '06 model, as you can pick these up from a dealer with warranty for less than 30k, however I'm curious to know the real-world differences between that model and the '07 version.

I gather the seats aren't as good in the later model, and there are a few cosmetic differences in the cabin but are there any improvements that would make it worth spending the extra?

Also, has anyone found a way to control an ipod from the touchscreen? I've got full control of mine from the head unit in my Classic, and it seems a bit of a backwards step to spend all that money and have to go back to CDs of MP3...

Finally, where's a good place to gauge values for my current car? It's a late model LSE with soft dash, in decent condition but not perfect - I've checked ebay and the classifieds here, but prices seem to vary so much.

[DKL]

Old skool cool for pimped bling? Nooooo
Quicker, newer, more expensive, same mpg.
At least the RR concept bit!
Anyway you have pm.

[Nick67]

You'll find it is more than just cosmetic changes.

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/05/28/land-rover-upda...

I've had both a MY03 and MY07, can confirm the later is far better especially the ventilation.

Not sure about the seat comment, I find them find, there is less movement in the head restraints due to the screens.

I would recommend the MY07 if moneys are available, mines for sale if interested

[CraigW]

Ed, mine looks virtually identical to yours, I paid £6500 for it 3 months ago. i purposely paid up to get a decent one, mine is a 1 owner 64k miler. It was from a dealer and it was with warranty & yes, I may have overpaid slightly but i couldnt see another decent one. I contemplated a later RR but just decided I wanted the classic look. I can see why you'd be tempted by a new car though.

Hope you're well matey.

[ehasler]

David, I'll reply to your mail later this evening! I know what you mean about old school classic vs pimped bling, but as much as I love the LSE, I really like the new shape Rangies too and want something that's a bit more suited to fast motorway cruising. I'm very tempted to keep it, but can't really justify owning two Range Rovers

Nick, thanks for the link. It does look like the '07 MY has some worthy upgrades, but it looks like it will cost me an extra £8-10k to get into one, so I'm struggling to justify it. Have you tried the 06 MY as well? I'd be interested to see where that sits in relation to the 03 and 07.

Craig, I know what you mean - there's something about the classics but there's also something about the new shape version too! Tough decision to have... Mine isn't in as good condition as yours, but it's useful to have a ball park figure to work down from - thanks.

I've just arranged to view one on Saturday, and I believe they have a later model in stock too, so I'll hopefully be able to make a decision then.

[CraigW]

do you think you'll trade yours in or sell privately ?

[ehasler]

It depends what they offer really - I've got a figure in mind for what I'd hope to get for it privately, so if they get anywhere near there then I'll p/x it just for the convenience.

I'm still not 100% though - I've never driven the new shape, so I may prefer to stick with the classic after viewing it.

[ilaishley]

I have just bought a 2007 (nov. 57 plate therefore nearly a year of LR warranty left ) 36k mile TDV8 FLRSH 1 owner TDV8 for £34k. The car is immense. I was looking for ages at post 2006 models but great advice on this forum led me to my car. I think the TDv8 is an amazing engine. I am more than happy with the speed and performance and dont think I need the SC version, this one is quick enough for me.

Dont forget its not how much the car costs now, its how much it costs in your ownership (not running costs) . Buying a 25K TD6 that is worth 15K in 2 years is a worse option than buying a £35k TDV8 that is worth 27K in 2 years. Exit costs are what is all about.

Cheers

Ian

[Nick67]

Ed
I have not tried the MY06

See what you think on Saturday about the various models, let me know as we could do a deal on mine, reason for selling is that it does not get used following a new business venture.

It would come fully serviced and one years LR warranty, has 33k on the clock, only done 7k in the last year.

Fully loaded apart from the towbar

[MOD500]

I have run a RR s/c (06 model) for 4 months and 7k miles now and it is a great motor.

I too looked at the 06 vs 07 scenario back in the summer and could not justify the extra cost for the 07 model (around £8k then from memory), plus the car I bought was very good value and a nice colour combo - Buckingham blue with cream. If the discrepancy between the model years is now not that significant, then great, though I would not be hard and fast about it if not.

Happy hunting

[ehasler]

Well it looks like I'm not the only one looking - all 3 that I was intending to look at were snapped up before the weekend, so I'm still on the hunt...

[Nick67]

Hi Ed

What sort of budget are you playing with?

[ehasler]

Hi Nick,

I'm looking to spend 30-35, but will be financing it hence why I'm looking at main dealers.

Edited by ehasler on Sunday 20th December 17:15

[rocksteadyeddie]

My thought process was similar to MOD500's. Would have loved a post '07 car but just couldn't justify the outlay. I have had mine 6 months or so and love it. Best car I've owned by some margin, and fabulous in this weather. 16mpg stings a bit but I think most people only get early 20s out of the diesel so the difference is not as great as some would have you believe.

As others have said the new lad has nothing like the class of the old warrior , but counters by being a far superior car in every tangible way.

[ehasler]

I'm thinking the same - '07 is nice, but for the money the '06 gets my vote.

Would it be wrong to keep the LSE as well as the new one?

[ilaishley]

When talking about fuel consumption can we break the myth that 16mpg in a S/C is not that far off a low 20's TDV8. Its miles different, a minimum of 25% increase. I struggle to get less than 23 mpg in my TDV8 around town which just shy of 50% increse in MPG. Its like saying 1 isnt much different to 2. Its 100% different.

At 10000 miles a year your fuel will cost: (I have acounted for petrol being cheper than diesel by 2p / litre)

16mpg petrol £2953
20 mpg diesel £2407
23 mpg diesel £2093 (this is my current overall mpg over the last 1000 miles)

Achieve 23 mpg and you easily save enough to have the amazing TDV8 engine mapped at JE and still have more than £500 in your pocket.

I think I have talked myself into another remap :-)

Ian

[rocksteadyeddie]

ilaishley said:

When talking about fuel consumption can we break the myth that 16mpg in a S/C is not that far off a low 20's TDV8. Its miles different, a minimum of 25% increase. I struggle to get less than 23 mpg in my TDV8 around town which just shy of 50% increse in MPG. Its like saying 1 isnt much different to 2. Its 100% different.

At 10000 miles a year your fuel will cost: (I have acounted for petrol being cheper than diesel by 2p / litre)

16mpg petrol £2953
20 mpg diesel £2407
23 mpg diesel £2093 (this is my current overall mpg over the last 1000 miles)

Achieve 23 mpg and you easily save enough to have the amazing TDV8 engine mapped at JE and still have more than £500 in your pocket.

I think I have talked myself into another remap :-)

Ian

£900 a year more?!? When put against the significant saving in used prices for the SC, and unleaded being cheaper, and as PH'ers that given a choice we would always have the petrol engine of joy over the diesel engine of necessity, and an extra hundred and some horsepower, and a V8. £900 doesn't seem so much to pay all of a sudden? Take into account residuals and as I said there's not as much in it as some would have you believe, and having the SC does not imply you have to be an oligarch!

Edited by rocksteadyeddie on Monday 21st December 08:10

[Nick67]

ehasler said:

Hi Nick,

I'm looking to spend 30-35, but will be financing it hence why I'm looking at main dealers.

Edited by ehasler on Sunday 20th December 17:15

I have a chap that could sort out finance for you.

The consumption of the S/C is around 18, have had 20 on a good run.

Let me know as you budget fits in with what I have in mind for mine

[ehasler]

Nick - sounds interesting, so I've just dropped you a mail!

[ilaishley]

rocksteadyeddie said:

ilaishley said:

When talking about fuel consumption can we break the myth that 16mpg in a S/C is not that far off a low 20's TDV8. Its miles different, a minimum of 25% increase. I struggle to get less than 23 mpg in my TDV8 around town which just shy of 50% increse in MPG. Its like saying 1 isnt much different to 2. Its 100% different.

At 10000 miles a year your fuel will cost: (I have acounted for petrol being cheper than diesel by 2p / litre)

16mpg petrol £2953
20 mpg diesel £2407
23 mpg diesel £2093 (this is my current overall mpg over the last 1000 miles)

Achieve 23 mpg and you easily save enough to have the amazing TDV8 engine mapped at JE and still have more than £500 in your pocket.

I think I have talked myself into another remap :-)

Ian

£900 a year more?!? When put against the significant saving in used prices for the SC, and unleaded being cheaper, and as PH'ers that given a choice we would always have the petrol engine of joy over the diesel engine of necessity, and an extra hundred and some horsepower, and a V8. £900 doesn't seem so much to pay all of a sudden? Take into account residuals and as I said there's not as much in it as some would have you believe, and having the SC does not imply you have to be an oligarch!

Edited by rocksteadyeddie on Monday 21st December 08:10

I'm a PH/er, originally from the Maserati clan , so i know a thing or two about fast petrol engined cars, and I had a choice and I have a TDV8. Your quite right in saying £900 isnt that much in the grand scheme of things, but you're still getting trapped in the numbers game. £2900 is a lot more than £2000. That was all my point was raising is that there is a significant difference between 16 & 23. As for fuel costs, If you re-read you will see that I factored in the difference in prices. You mentioned the benefit of the S/C being a V8, well as the name might give it away, so is the TDV8.

Anyway I wasn't starting a TDV8 vs S/C argument, just stating a clear mathematical fact for members to consider when choosing which engine.
That is why this forum is so great, and has helped me make great choices in my cars over the years.

I'm not sure I would want to go any faster than the TDV8 goes in 2.7 tons of car, but I bet I would be easily tempted if I drove an S/C. Till then I shall put my slippers on, light up a pipe, and put another log in the old woodburner, otherwise known as the TDV8.

Ian