Is there a completely redesigned Discovery 5 on its way?
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Hi All
really sorry if this is an old question or blatantly obvious! thinking about buying a disco3 SE or HSE - probably a 07 low mileage etc etc (was gonna buy a friends M320 but the mileage is too high so now looking at the discovery.
I looked at the Discovery 4 at the weekend and it really seems to be a revised interior rather than exterior
question is... Is there a massively redesigned discovery 5 on its way which will make the 3 look really dated? I know theres a lovely new shape Range Rover on its way but not sure about the discovery. Dont wanna spend 22k on a disco to find in 6 months time its worth half that cos a cracking new shape one has come out (as happened with a freelander and civic I bought a few years ago!!)
thanks guys
s
really sorry if this is an old question or blatantly obvious! thinking about buying a disco3 SE or HSE - probably a 07 low mileage etc etc (was gonna buy a friends M320 but the mileage is too high so now looking at the discovery.
I looked at the Discovery 4 at the weekend and it really seems to be a revised interior rather than exterior
question is... Is there a massively redesigned discovery 5 on its way which will make the 3 look really dated? I know theres a lovely new shape Range Rover on its way but not sure about the discovery. Dont wanna spend 22k on a disco to find in 6 months time its worth half that cos a cracking new shape one has come out (as happened with a freelander and civic I bought a few years ago!!)
thanks guys
s
The Disco3/4 is basically 'far too heavy' so it does not stretch the imagination too far to assume that it wil be replaced it with a new model that will drop lose the twin-chassis construction saving 100's of kgs but I think that it may be a good couple of years away.
In the mean time, the main benefit of the Disco 4 is arguably the availability of the 3.0ltr diesel engine but it still struggles to get close to 30mpg by all accounts... but the good old 2.7 Disco 3 should still be in demand for many years to come and is unlikely to rendered obsolete overnight, even if they do come out with an spanking new model.
In the mean time, the main benefit of the Disco 4 is arguably the availability of the 3.0ltr diesel engine but it still struggles to get close to 30mpg by all accounts... but the good old 2.7 Disco 3 should still be in demand for many years to come and is unlikely to rendered obsolete overnight, even if they do come out with an spanking new model.
I'm sorry, but what a ridiculous question...
Of course there will be a new Discovery (or its equivalent) at some stage in the future! All that is in doubt is how far into the future that will be...
Just re-read your OP... As the Discovery 4 was only launched mid-2009, there isn't going to be a new one for a good few years yet.
As for it devaluing the Discovery 3, that is hardly likely, when that model has already been superseded by Discovery 4. Never heard of a car's value being significantly affected by a new design two generations later...
Of course there will be a new Discovery (or its equivalent) at some stage in the future! All that is in doubt is how far into the future that will be...
Just re-read your OP... As the Discovery 4 was only launched mid-2009, there isn't going to be a new one for a good few years yet.
As for it devaluing the Discovery 3, that is hardly likely, when that model has already been superseded by Discovery 4. Never heard of a car's value being significantly affected by a new design two generations later...
Edited by kVA on Monday 29th March 09:44
steady there tiger! of course I know a new shape will come out eventually its just if you look at VW golfs, they hold their value well as the new shapes they bring out are usually evolutionary not revolutionary. I got caught out in 05 buying the wife a civic, I asked the dealer was a new shape coming out anytime soon (within a year isn't unreasonable to ask) No he said, only a few tweaks here and there. 6 months later out came an amazing new shape that made my wifes Civic look really old and halved its value. I know now that the dealer was lying through his teeth to get rid of old stock, but it was my fault for not doing more research..or going on a forum and getting advice!! - The same thing happened with my 05 freelander - out came the freelander 2 shortly after i bought mine and my HSE overnight became worth buttons
I dont think my question was a stupid one.
Oh, and I do think that subsequent redesigns affects second hand values even 2 models old - its all to do with desirability. The older your model starts to look then the less desirable and valuable it becomes - or so I believe anyway
not too worry, pretty much made up my mind to get the disco and very much hope they are as good as everyone says!
cheers guys
s
I dont think my question was a stupid one.
Oh, and I do think that subsequent redesigns affects second hand values even 2 models old - its all to do with desirability. The older your model starts to look then the less desirable and valuable it becomes - or so I believe anyway
not too worry, pretty much made up my mind to get the disco and very much hope they are as good as everyone says!
cheers guys
s
Yeah, I was a bit trigger-happy there... Soz!
To be honest, if you look back over the whole history of Discovery, the silhouette has hardly changed, so a 'massive re-design' that makes a D3 look old is not very likely.
As for the dual chassis being scrapped - I think it is more likely to be the other way around, personally - i.e. other models adopting this method of construction. Why would you scrap the very thing that gives the Discovery and RRS their USPs?
To be honest, if you look back over the whole history of Discovery, the silhouette has hardly changed, so a 'massive re-design' that makes a D3 look old is not very likely.
As for the dual chassis being scrapped - I think it is more likely to be the other way around, personally - i.e. other models adopting this method of construction. Why would you scrap the very thing that gives the Discovery and RRS their USPs?
yeah, agree with you - the whole box look is part of the charm! if they downscale it too much it wont be the same beast.
defo gonna go for one - the state of the roads are appalling up here! its like a war zone with pot holes like craters! (yep, I'm in Glasgow!) - also got a TVR Tuscan and It hasnt been out of the garage for weeks till they get some of these holes fixed! - A big disco for work and family stuff would be a great back up to the TVR!
thanks guys
s
defo gonna go for one - the state of the roads are appalling up here! its like a war zone with pot holes like craters! (yep, I'm in Glasgow!) - also got a TVR Tuscan and It hasnt been out of the garage for weeks till they get some of these holes fixed! - A big disco for work and family stuff would be a great back up to the TVR!
thanks guys
s
Have you been to the disco 3 site?
Red is pretty unpopular colour as is se spec. So you are increasing your depreciation opportunities.
Low miles should be IMHO further down your priorities. There are plenty of good colour hse or xs discos at say 40k miles etc for a 3 or 4 yr old.
All IMHO
Red is pretty unpopular colour as is se spec. So you are increasing your depreciation opportunities.
Low miles should be IMHO further down your priorities. There are plenty of good colour hse or xs discos at say 40k miles etc for a 3 or 4 yr old.
All IMHO
kVA said:
I'm sorry, but what a ridiculous question...
Of course there will be a new Discovery (or its equivalent) at some stage in the future! All that is in doubt is how far into the future that will be...
Just re-read your OP... As the Discovery 4 was only launched mid-2009, there isn't going to be a new one for a good few years yet.
As for it devaluing the Discovery 3, that is hardly likely, when that model has already been superseded by Discovery 4. Never heard of a car's value being significantly affected by a new design two generations later...
It is not a stupid question at all. The discovery 4 is not a new generation of disco it's only a facelifted discovery 3. The 2008 XJ facelift (x358) was in production for less than a year before production ended.Of course there will be a new Discovery (or its equivalent) at some stage in the future! All that is in doubt is how far into the future that will be...
Just re-read your OP... As the Discovery 4 was only launched mid-2009, there isn't going to be a new one for a good few years yet.
As for it devaluing the Discovery 3, that is hardly likely, when that model has already been superseded by Discovery 4. Never heard of a car's value being significantly affected by a new design two generations later...
Edited by kVA on Monday 29th March 09:44
kVA said:
Yeah, I was a bit trigger-happy there... Soz!
To be honest, if you look back over the whole history of Discovery, the silhouette has hardly changed, so a 'massive re-design' that makes a D3 look old is not very likely.
As for the dual chassis being scrapped - I think it is more likely to be the other way around, personally - i.e. other models adopting this method of construction. Why would you scrap the very thing that gives the Discovery and RRS their USPs?
Because it's heavy and expensive. According to land rover the discovery's future is up in the air. It will either be replaced with a 7-seat freelander or a new discovery built on the same platform that will underpin the next range rover and range rover sport which will be an alluminium monocoque of some kind, possibly the same one that underpins the jag xj.To be honest, if you look back over the whole history of Discovery, the silhouette has hardly changed, so a 'massive re-design' that makes a D3 look old is not very likely.
As for the dual chassis being scrapped - I think it is more likely to be the other way around, personally - i.e. other models adopting this method of construction. Why would you scrap the very thing that gives the Discovery and RRS their USPs?
thanks Gaazab - to be honest i had really set my heart on the dark grey colour so i think i'll shelve the red one and keep looking
do you mind if i ask why the se isnt a popular model? i always thought it was one below an HSE but above the sw, xs models etc
Basically, leather and parking sensors are my priority (sat nav would be good but already own a portable unit) - does an XS offer better value than an SE?
thanks guys!
s
do you mind if i ask why the se isnt a popular model? i always thought it was one below an HSE but above the sw, xs models etc
Basically, leather and parking sensors are my priority (sat nav would be good but already own a portable unit) - does an XS offer better value than an SE?
thanks guys!
s
zthomasz said:
The discovery 4 is not a new generation of disco it's only a facelifted discovery 3.
Oops, sorry, my mistake... There are a few panels that are the same and the chassis is unchanged - so must be just a facelift then 
You are obviously more of an industry expert than the people who actually design and manufacture them - I stand corrected
zthomasz said:
kVA said:
As for the dual chassis being scrapped - I think it is more likely to be the other way around, personally - i.e. other models adopting this method of construction. Why would you scrap the very thing that gives the Discovery and RRS their USPs?
Because it's heavy and expensive. According to land rover the discovery's future is up in the air. It will either be replaced with a 7-seat freelander or a new discovery built on the same platform that will underpin the next range rover and range rover sport which will be an alluminium monocoque of some kind, possibly the same one that underpins the jag xj.A 'monocoque' does not underpin anything.... That is the whole point of a monocoque! If the Jaguar and Range Rover were to share the same monocoque, they would have to have roughly the same shape and dimensions! can't see that happening somehow?
I would be interested to know who you mean by 'according to Land Rover', as I work in the industry and this is all news to me
deadline21 said:
thanks Gaazab - to be honest i had really set my heart on the dark grey colour so i think i'll shelve the red one and keep looking
do you mind if i ask why the se isnt a popular model? i always thought it was one below an HSE but above the sw, xs models etc
Basically, leather and parking sensors are my priority (sat nav would be good but already own a portable unit) - does an XS offer better value than an SE?
thanks guys!
s
Red is not the most popular colour, but if you like it, I suspect you will get a better one for your money than one of the 'favourite' colours (Black/Silver/Grey). As for the SE, I think you will find that it DOES have Sat Nav - but not the 'Premium' version (so no Off-road navigation, voice activation, 4x4 Info screen).do you mind if i ask why the se isnt a popular model? i always thought it was one below an HSE but above the sw, xs models etc
Basically, leather and parking sensors are my priority (sat nav would be good but already own a portable unit) - does an XS offer better value than an SE?
thanks guys!
s
I wouldn't be put off a nice SE, to be honest... The HSE doesn't have that much more equipment than an SE and will inevitably be quite a lot more expensive. As for resale values, once any vehicle is a couple of years old, depreciation is all relative really and pretty much the same % across the whole range.
Try and buy what YOU like and then just make sure it is priced competitively against similar cars and then stop worrying about the next owner and enjoy it! They are great cars...
My opinion on SE is that people looking for premium spec at premium price look for HSEs. Then as they look futher down they look at S and XS models for value. So I think SEs tend to get overlooked (IMHO).
XS comes with parking sensors etc but not leather. Leather can be added for £900 (Seat Surgeons). The inbult sat nav isnt that gr8 and so when I bought my XS I wasnt that bothered. I have heated seats, phone etc... and the spec is fine for me, I just want leather added to make it perfect for me.
XS comes with parking sensors etc but not leather. Leather can be added for £900 (Seat Surgeons). The inbult sat nav isnt that gr8 and so when I bought my XS I wasnt that bothered. I have heated seats, phone etc... and the spec is fine for me, I just want leather added to make it perfect for me.
kVA said:
Oops, sorry, my mistake... There are a few panels that are the same and the chassis is unchanged - so must be just a facelift then
You are obviously more of an industry expert than the people who actually design and manufacture them - I stand corrected.
Well your defensiveness says more than I ever could. You are obviously more of an industry expert than the people who actually design and manufacture them - I stand corrected
.It is a facelift. No more. No less.
kVA said:
zthomasz said:
kVA said:
As for the dual chassis being scrapped - I think it is more likely to be the other way around, personally - i.e. other models adopting this method of construction. Why would you scrap the very thing that gives the Discovery and RRS their USPs?
Because it's heavy and expensive. According to land rover the discovery's future is up in the air. It will either be replaced with a 7-seat freelander or a new discovery built on the same platform that will underpin the next range rover and range rover sport which will be an alluminium monocoque of some kind, possibly the same one that underpins the jag xj.A 'monocoque' does not underpin anything.... That is the whole point of a monocoque! If the Jaguar and Range Rover were to share the same monocoque, they would have to have roughly the same shape and dimensions! can't see that happening somehow?
Because it's heavy and expensive. According to land rover insiders the discovery's future is up in the air. Insiders believe that it will either be replaced with a 7-seat freelander derivative or a new discovery using an alluminium alloy monocoque snd be built on the same platform that will underpin the next range rover and range rover sport, possibly the same platform that underpins the jag xj.
kVA said:
I would be interested to know who you mean by 'according to Land Rover', as I work in the industry and this is all news to me
Well just because you 'work in the industry' (what industry?) doesn't mean that you know anything. I'm surprised that your good friend Mr Tata didn't tell you about this:
http://www.aluminum.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Ho...
and this:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/Jaguar-X...
Oh thats right, you're just a nobody trying to save face after being proven wrong.
Post Scriptum
Your pettiness is very unattractive.
zthomasz said:
Some stuff he read in the motoring press and interpreted wrongly...
Three points (and I enjoy pettiness 
)...When a media source says "according to Insiders", but doesn't name them, it usually means a bloke who's sister's husband works at Land Rover (probably as a Janitor) overheard someone saying something like what was printed... but he may have mis-heard some of it
There is no mention at all of scrapping the 'Integrated Body-Frame' construction of Discovery 3 & 4 or RRS... The magazine merely speculates that the Discovery may eventually be dropped in favour of a 7 seat car based on the Freelander platform.
Finally the comment about making Range Rover bodies out of aluminium is hardly a groundbreaking departure for Land Rover... All Defender panels used to be made out of aluminium, a significant proportion of Range Rover, Discovery 3/4 and RRS bodies are already aluminium, so switching to all aluminium monocoque is not exactly radical, but they will still retain a steel chassis for off-road durability and strength.
Bringing this back onto topic... As far as the OP is concerned, the answer is definitely NO - there will not be a totally new Discovery in a time-frame that would significantly affect the value of a Discovery 3 bought today. (and the OP knows how I can be so definite with my reply
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