Want to buy a Range Rover, which one 4.4 or 3 litre diesel?
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I've had enough of my TVR and its nonsense eletrical problems so it's going to go, I've decided on a Range Rover and going back to a bike for motoring enjoyment.
My Budget is around £14k so I'm looking at 2002/2003, for this money the diesels tend to have much higher milage or be in a bad colour, also can someone tell me the real differences between a Vogue and a HSE, is the Vogue worth the premium?. YOu can easily get a petrol Vogue for this money with reasonable milage too but what are they really like to run?, I've also heard it said the diesels are awful in the performance department, now I'm not expecting a Range Rover to be quick but to have a reasonable level of performance would be nice.
Any pointers of what to look out for on them would be appreciated too.
My Budget is around £14k so I'm looking at 2002/2003, for this money the diesels tend to have much higher milage or be in a bad colour, also can someone tell me the real differences between a Vogue and a HSE, is the Vogue worth the premium?. YOu can easily get a petrol Vogue for this money with reasonable milage too but what are they really like to run?, I've also heard it said the diesels are awful in the performance department, now I'm not expecting a Range Rover to be quick but to have a reasonable level of performance would be nice.
Any pointers of what to look out for on them would be appreciated too.
Front diffs go at 30k miles (ish). Free upgrade from Land Rover. Check that it's been done.
Gearboxes go bang at 100k miles + unless they've had the oil changed every 50k or so (which isn't on the maintenance schedule).
Radiators leak after five or six years. Check the cooling system.
Alternators can cause problems and are worth checking (water-cooled and not cheap).
Otherwise, generally ok.
Also, what Jem says about LPG cars. Magic.
Vogue v HSE? I have an HSE and I'm quite happy. The market prefers the Vogue but the satnav in a 2002/3 car is p@nts and at that age, I'd be far more interested in mileage and history.
Gearboxes go bang at 100k miles + unless they've had the oil changed every 50k or so (which isn't on the maintenance schedule).
Radiators leak after five or six years. Check the cooling system.
Alternators can cause problems and are worth checking (water-cooled and not cheap).
Otherwise, generally ok.
Also, what Jem says about LPG cars. Magic.
Vogue v HSE? I have an HSE and I'm quite happy. The market prefers the Vogue but the satnav in a 2002/3 car is p@nts and at that age, I'd be far more interested in mileage and history.
Edited by JW911 on Wednesday 9th June 22:24
Nappler said:
I've had enough of my TVR and its nonsense eletrical problems so it's going to go, I've decided on a Range Rover and going back to a bike for motoring enjoyment.
My Budget is around £14k so I'm looking at 2002/2003, for this money the diesels tend to have much higher milage or be in a bad colour, also can someone tell me the real differences between a Vogue and a HSE, is the Vogue worth the premium?. YOu can easily get a petrol Vogue for this money with reasonable milage too but what are they really like to run?, I've also heard it said the diesels are awful in the performance department, now I'm not expecting a Range Rover to be quick but to have a reasonable level of performance would be nice.
Any pointers of what to look out for on them would be appreciated too.
You think a Tuscans costly to run. Running the Tuscan will seem cheap until you start running a Range Rover.My Budget is around £14k so I'm looking at 2002/2003, for this money the diesels tend to have much higher milage or be in a bad colour, also can someone tell me the real differences between a Vogue and a HSE, is the Vogue worth the premium?. YOu can easily get a petrol Vogue for this money with reasonable milage too but what are they really like to run?, I've also heard it said the diesels are awful in the performance department, now I'm not expecting a Range Rover to be quick but to have a reasonable level of performance would be nice.
Any pointers of what to look out for on them would be appreciated too.
I haven't found the Tuscan overly expensive to run,certainly it's not that bad on fuel and servicing and parts arn't as much as I would have thought, it's the eletrical problems which have surfaced and left me at the side of the road 3 times in a month which have irritated me, all due to an intermitant fuel pump issue, that said if it's cured and is running fine when I get it back I'm likely to not want to sell it but I've got to force myself to.
Milage wise I probably do about 8k a year, I do like the idea of a Rangie I'm sure the V8 is a nicer smoother engine but is it a complete killer on fuel?.
Milage wise I probably do about 8k a year, I do like the idea of a Rangie I'm sure the V8 is a nicer smoother engine but is it a complete killer on fuel?.
Nappler said:
I haven't found the Tuscan overly expensive to run,certainly it's not that bad on fuel and servicing and parts arn't as much as I would have thought, it's the eletrical problems which have surfaced and left me at the side of the road 3 times in a month which have irritated me, all due to an intermitant fuel pump issue, that said if it's cured and is running fine when I get it back I'm likely to not want to sell it but I've got to force myself to.
Milage wise I probably do about 8k a year, I do like the idea of a Rangie I'm sure the V8 is a nicer smoother engine but is it a complete killer on fuel?.
Ive averaged 21mpg on a run. And around 11-12 around town with the V8 petrol. At the moment ive got a 2010 Vogue diesel "pool" car.My compant wont pay my own fuel costs,as we have two of these on the firm and i have to use it.Milage wise I probably do about 8k a year, I do like the idea of a Rangie I'm sure the V8 is a nicer smoother engine but is it a complete killer on fuel?.
I can say its a bigger improvement over the earlier models. But i get distracted sitting inside it looking at all the toys and thinking how much it would cost me to put right if any of it went wrong if it belonged to me.
20 ish mpg is about as good as you will see on the V8. LPG reduces that to about 16-17 but the price differential gives an equivalent of about 30 mpg. At 8k per year, unless you're planning to keep the car for the very long term, you probably aren't doing enough miles to justify the cost of conversion. Now, if you can find one that has been converted already....
The TD6 will do about 25 mpg at the most so take into account the purchase price as the difference can potentially pay for a lot of fuel.
The TD6 will do about 25 mpg at the most so take into account the purchase price as the difference can potentially pay for a lot of fuel.
Edited by JW911 on Thursday 10th June 08:36
BLUETHUNDER said:
Nappler said:
I've had enough of my TVR and its nonsense eletrical problems so it's going to go, I've decided on a Range Rover and going back to a bike for motoring enjoyment.
My Budget is around £14k so I'm looking at 2002/2003, for this money the diesels tend to have much higher milage or be in a bad colour, also can someone tell me the real differences between a Vogue and a HSE, is the Vogue worth the premium?. YOu can easily get a petrol Vogue for this money with reasonable milage too but what are they really like to run?, I've also heard it said the diesels are awful in the performance department, now I'm not expecting a Range Rover to be quick but to have a reasonable level of performance would be nice.
Any pointers of what to look out for on them would be appreciated too.
You think a Tuscans costly to run. Running the Tuscan will seem cheap until you start running a Range Rover.My Budget is around £14k so I'm looking at 2002/2003, for this money the diesels tend to have much higher milage or be in a bad colour, also can someone tell me the real differences between a Vogue and a HSE, is the Vogue worth the premium?. YOu can easily get a petrol Vogue for this money with reasonable milage too but what are they really like to run?, I've also heard it said the diesels are awful in the performance department, now I'm not expecting a Range Rover to be quick but to have a reasonable level of performance would be nice.
Any pointers of what to look out for on them would be appreciated too.
JRM said:
BLUETHUNDER said:
Nappler said:
I've had enough of my TVR and its nonsense eletrical problems so it's going to go, I've decided on a Range Rover and going back to a bike for motoring enjoyment.
My Budget is around £14k so I'm looking at 2002/2003, for this money the diesels tend to have much higher milage or be in a bad colour, also can someone tell me the real differences between a Vogue and a HSE, is the Vogue worth the premium?. YOu can easily get a petrol Vogue for this money with reasonable milage too but what are they really like to run?, I've also heard it said the diesels are awful in the performance department, now I'm not expecting a Range Rover to be quick but to have a reasonable level of performance would be nice.
Any pointers of what to look out for on them would be appreciated too.
You think a Tuscans costly to run. Running the Tuscan will seem cheap until you start running a Range Rover.My Budget is around £14k so I'm looking at 2002/2003, for this money the diesels tend to have much higher milage or be in a bad colour, also can someone tell me the real differences between a Vogue and a HSE, is the Vogue worth the premium?. YOu can easily get a petrol Vogue for this money with reasonable milage too but what are they really like to run?, I've also heard it said the diesels are awful in the performance department, now I'm not expecting a Range Rover to be quick but to have a reasonable level of performance would be nice.
Any pointers of what to look out for on them would be appreciated too.
The later 2010 model is more complicated than the older model. Digital analogue instruments for a start. A monitor that changes screen from what ever side of the car you are sitting in. Looking at it. I think to myself how much to fix it if that goes wrong.
Dont get me wrong they are great cars. But where i work everyone has Range Rovers. Its all become a bit bland. Just not for me anymore. I got fed up with paying big bills on these a long time ago.
I have owned a TVR Cerbera, and recently sold it for a 2004 Range Rover Vouge TD6 as I have two small children. The Range rover is comfortable and very nice on a long journey... BUT, you will find your TVR is twice as reliable in all aspects including electrics. Sure my windows went down if I went near an airport in the Cerb?! but all I had to do was put them back up.... Since owning my range rover the list is....
CD changer failed with my CD's in it
Sat Nav failed
Dash pixels started to go
Diff replaced
Gearbox re-built
Trim loose on door
Noisy rear suspension
Battery always goes flat after two days or more
Oil leaks similar to that in the Gulf
In my opinion the RR vouge is an expensive money pit, and that's coming from the owner of a Cerbera! The TVR remains the best car I have ever had the pleasure of owning and I will have another soon!
CD changer failed with my CD's in it
Sat Nav failed
Dash pixels started to go
Diff replaced
Gearbox re-built
Trim loose on door
Noisy rear suspension
Battery always goes flat after two days or more
Oil leaks similar to that in the Gulf
In my opinion the RR vouge is an expensive money pit, and that's coming from the owner of a Cerbera! The TVR remains the best car I have ever had the pleasure of owning and I will have another soon!
we have had an 03 for 3 years now and about 30k covered, on a run 20-22 is doable, been fairly reliable: replaced alternator, pixels have completely disappeared now (but this is no biggy to us) coolant hose split, needs a new coolant level sensor at the mo, had diff recall done and about to change g-box oil (as said, not in schedule but worth doing)
We have been quite impressed by its ability to haul things around, lovely place to sit for long journeys, has quite an opulent feel to it and says you have ARRIVED when needed (not very often for us
)
We are now looking at replacing it with a later diesel, from test drives there is not much between the V8 & 3.0 Diesel.
give us a PM if you want a FSH Silver with cream Vogue at a bellow market price
We have been quite impressed by its ability to haul things around, lovely place to sit for long journeys, has quite an opulent feel to it and says you have ARRIVED when needed (not very often for us
)We are now looking at replacing it with a later diesel, from test drives there is not much between the V8 & 3.0 Diesel.
give us a PM if you want a FSH Silver with cream Vogue at a bellow market price
Like any car, the later in the model year you can buy the better they'll get.
Our 07 S/C is superb, love it to bits and I hope to remains as per many reports I've ready - a thoroughly reliable, luxurious, practical (if not economical) beast.
Everyone shouts when there are problems so buy with your eyes open, check history, call the servicing dealer and get lots of evidence for how it has been cared for and gremlins fixed should give an idea on how well built it was.
Personally at your price point I think I'd go for the V8 - You'll get a better deal... also be aware you should look at a good number of cars to find a good one too (maybe look around on FullfatRR's forums for cars for sale as well so it's easy to search posts from the owner to get a feel for the ownership experience)
Our 07 S/C is superb, love it to bits and I hope to remains as per many reports I've ready - a thoroughly reliable, luxurious, practical (if not economical) beast.
Everyone shouts when there are problems so buy with your eyes open, check history, call the servicing dealer and get lots of evidence for how it has been cared for and gremlins fixed should give an idea on how well built it was.
Personally at your price point I think I'd go for the V8 - You'll get a better deal... also be aware you should look at a good number of cars to find a good one too (maybe look around on FullfatRR's forums for cars for sale as well so it's easy to search posts from the owner to get a feel for the ownership experience)
BLUETHUNDER said:
You think a Tuscans costly to run. Running the Tuscan will seem cheap until you start running a Range Rover.
My personal experience is happily totally the opposite. Totally different cars, but the Range Rover just does so much so well. I was even more impressed with it today when we were watching the Canadian GP on the built in TV while sat in traffic on the M20 
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