Will your SIII/Defender come under low emissions rules?

[varsas]

I have just seen this:

https://lowemissionzone.tfl.gov.uk/b/pb/lezComplia...

My SIII SWB diesel land rover fails it! From 2012 I would have to pay £100 a day to drive into London. Any diesel, non station wagon, utility land rover built between 1973 and 2002 will be affected...

see here:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/roadusers/l...

Sheet 5 is specifically for land rovers! Fortunately I also have a pre '73 petrol SIII which is exempt on two counts but is this the thin end of the wedge?

Edited by varsas on Tuesday 7th December 12:36

[300bhp/ton]

That certainly seems complex. And I wonder why it singles out Land Rovers and not other 4x4's?

Also the question "is the vehicle designed and built mainly for off road use", I'd have thought a Land Rover, esp a Series would have a good chance at saying yes to this.

[Liszt]

300bhp/ton said:

That certainly seems complex. And I wonder why it singles out Land Rovers and not other 4x4's?

Also the question "is the vehicle designed and built mainly for off road use", I'd have thought a Land Rover, esp a Series would have a good chance at saying yes to this.

Because Landrovers can have a lot more seats than normal and have a higher GVW than most other 4x4s

ETA: and some are commercial vehicles while most others are private passenger vehicles.

Edited by Liszt on Tuesday 7th December 15:26

[varsas]

300bhp/ton said:

That certainly seems complex. And I wonder why it singles out Land Rovers and not other 4x4's?

Also the question "is the vehicle designed and built mainly for off road use", I'd have thought a Land Rover, esp a Series would have a good chance at saying yes to this.

Apparently not. They mean tractors, mowers and stuff.

I can sort of see their point. For a while now people have taken advantage of the fact non SW/county utility land rovers count as commercial vehicles for company car tax reasons. LWB landies with loads of seats have been always been able to be counted as minibuses; which has given them a fair few tax breaks over the years. I guess you can't have it both ways, this is where the line between passenger car and commercial vehicle is drawn.

[anonymous-user]

Hmmm, interesting flow chart.
I suspect TFL may be on to a sticky wicket when it comes to light say in, oh I dunno, Court for example, that a TD5 CSW (which is exempt) has exactly the same emissions as a TD5 van (which isn't).

[varsas]

Crossflow Kid said:

Hmmm, interesting flow chart.
I suspect TFL may be on to a sticky wicket when it comes to light say in, oh I dunno, Court for example, that a TD5 CSW (which is exempt) has exactly the same emissions as a TD5 van (which isn't).

I think the intention is for it to apply to commercial vehicles; the CSW is exempt because it's a passenger vehicle but the TD5 van is not (I know, I know...symantics...) if it were anything to do with emissions my V8 Stag would not be exempt, but it, (along with Lamorghini Countaches etc) is. That reasoning breaks down a bit when you read this:

thinly veiled communist website said:

The LEZ applies to all vehicles, irrespective of whether they are used for commercial or private use.

hmm..I think I've just managed to confuse myself.

Edited by varsas on Tuesday 7th December 18:55

[BLUETHUNDER]

We have been right through this on another forum. It seems from the reasearch that has been by a few members that have contacted TFL and VOSA and DVLA. A lot depends on whats stated on the V5. If its registered as 4x4 utility you pay the charge. If its registered as estate you are exempt.

[anonymous-user]

BLUETHUNDER said:

We have been right through this on another forum. It seems from the reasearch that has been by a few members that have contacted TFL and VOSA and DVLA. A lot depends on whats stated on the V5. If its registered as 4x4 utility you pay the charge. If its registered as estate you are exempt.

So how does one get it re-registered?

[BLUETHUNDER]

Crossflow Kid said:

BLUETHUNDER said:

We have been right through this on another forum. It seems from the reasearch that has been by a few members that have contacted TFL and VOSA and DVLA. A lot depends on whats stated on the V5. If its registered as 4x4 utility you pay the charge. If its registered as estate you are exempt.

So how does one get it re-registered?

You have to write to Landrover and get a covering letter stating that,it should be classed as estate on the V5. Some have been successful. Others have'nt. Ive a friend with two identical defenders. One states 4x4 utility on the V5. The other states estate. DVLA would'nt change the class. So he now has to sell the one classed as 4x4 utility as its non LEZ compliant. I went through the whole process myself with an RB44. It was classed as a agricultral,as i had a mobile pump fitted to it. But they are on to that,as they wanted confirmation of company and the places the vehicle will be used. Scuppered that idea.

[bigee]

I have an 02 Defender and its a '4x4 utility' on the v5....i phoned and spoke to them re: eligibility and was told that my year Landy is Euro 3 emissions so exempt from charge...lets face it,its called an 'emission' zone so what the hell difference does it make what the v5 says in terms of classification,either the vehicles emissions are compliant or they are not WHATEVER they call the model/how many seats/hardtop etc.

[Alicatt1]

BLUETHUNDER said:

I went through the whole process myself with an RB44. It was classed as a agricultral,as i had a mobile pump fitted to it. But they are on to that,as they wanted confirmation of company and the places the vehicle will be used. Scuppered that idea.

Ah my late brother had a Subaru WRX STi type UK with the PPP and it was classed as agricultural too, but then he was a farmer, but I never seen it tow a dung spreader lol

[lost in espace]

I have an diesel 82 LWB S3 CSW which came out of the factory with 12 seats. I should be ok will check the V5. Presumably engine swaps won't matter, although the original engine is in it.

[varsas]

Put your number plate in here:

https://lowemissionzone.tfl.gov.uk/b/pb/lezComplia...

According to the flowchart it does come under the rules, so you would have to pay...