Self employed, am I doing it right?
Self employed, am I doing it right?
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Hysteria1983

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1,616 posts

187 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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Firstly, I'm not going to mention the business name unless anyone is genuinely interested, as I don't want to be seen as touting for business, so...

I'm registered as self employed, all info given about my work.
All receipts/invoices kept from all purchases from postage stamps to materials.
eBay sales invoices printed out every month.
Books kept on a monthly basis.
Separate paypal account set up with business.
Separate eBay account set up.
New email set up.
Website set up.
Facebook page set up.

I may have missed something important here, but I can't think of it at the moment.

So I'm after any advice about anything else I need a heads up with please.

I think i'm going in the right direction as I am managing to buy all my new stock and materials from my paypal profit at the moment, but I haven't sat and totalled up the complete profit/loss since I started in Aug, but I know I haven't made a loss yet.

Thanks for taking the time to read guys and gals

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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Get an accountant.

Simpo Two

92,694 posts

294 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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Seems fairly comprehensive to me. All you need to do now is take 'drawings' (ie money for private use) from your business (Paypal) account to your normal current account.

In time perhaps you can get away from the eBay/Paypal structure as it does kill margins, though I appreciate you need the 'shop window' for now.

I don't think you need an accountant, it's too simple. A bookeeper should be fine.

michael1987

42 posts

165 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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At the end of a year you will need an accountant, a good accountant should be able to claim back stuff you would never think of, proportion of your council tax again your company, electric etcccc if you work from home!

Hope the business continues being good smile

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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michael1987 said:
At the end of a year you will need an accountant, a good accountant should be able to claim back stuff you would never think of, proportion of your council tax again your company, electric etcccc if you work from home!

Hope the business continues being good smile
I'd get one on board earlier rather than later.

Hoofy

79,993 posts

311 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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I like to troll accountants by calling them 2 days before end of the financial year and finding out if they can do my accounts for me. silly

Countdown

49,265 posts

225 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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Business slow Eric? hehe

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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Countdown said:
Business slow Eric? hehe
Not all all.

I don't particlarly want new clients right at this minute. My advice is totally altruistic. I really do think that someone starting out running their own business is well advised to speak to an accountant as early in proceedings as possible.

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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Hoofy said:
I like to troll accountants by calling them 2 days before end of the financial year and finding out if they can do my accounts for me. silly
In what way do you look on that as "trolling"? Asking an accountant to prepare your accounts before the end of your financial year is, to me, eminently sensible.

Simpo Two

92,694 posts

294 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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I think the salient fact was '2 days' - ie when accountants are dissolving in a pool of sweat and fag ash smile

Hysteria1983

Original Poster:

1,616 posts

187 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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I don't think an accountant will be needed as I doubt I will earn the min amount required for paying tax. Its a small business at the moment, and even though its growing, tax reductions on heating, fuel etc wont come into play for a while.
If it does, happy days smile

VEX

5,259 posts

275 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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Set up savings accounts for your vat and end of year tax. Divert 20% of all takings into them then you have no nasty suprises at the end of the quarter / year when you have to pay out.

At also acts as a nice little cash flow pot when you need to buy something up front. This is how I have run my accounts for two years and it has worked really well, but it is only from experience have lost a business before (for other reasons).

V.

Simpo Two

92,694 posts

294 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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Is the OP VAT registered? I doubt it.

Hysteria1983

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1,616 posts

187 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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Simpo Two said:
Is the OP VAT registered? I doubt it.
My turnover is and will not be for some time close to needing to be VAT registered.

As a small business I am not going to mske work for myself that is not needed.

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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Hysteria1983 said:
I don't think an accountant will be needed as I doubt I will earn the min amount required for paying tax. Its a small business at the moment, and even though its growing, tax reductions on heating, fuel etc wont come into play for a while.
If it does, happy days smile
Do you have other sources of income?

Do you already pay tax on those other sources of income?

Is your business making a profit or a loss.

If a profit - you will pay tax.

If a loss, and you already pay tax under (say) PAYE, you could be able to offset the business losses and get some of your PAYE refunded to you.

What about Capital Allowances?
Have you bought or leased equipment?
What type of claims do you intend to make for these types of costs.

Have you considered costs such as "Use of Home as Office"?

Lots to think about.


Hysteria1983

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1,616 posts

187 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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Eric Mc said:
Do you have other sources of income? - No

Do you already pay tax on those other sources of income? - N/A

Is your business making a profit or a loss. - Profit

If a profit - you will pay tax. - Not true, only if I earn over the tax free allowance.

If a loss, and you already pay tax under (say) PAYE, you could be able to offset the business losses and get some of your PAYE refunded to you.

What about Csapital Allowances?
Have you bought or leased equipment? I owned all my equipment prior to setting up due to a hobby


What type of claims do you intend to make for these types of costs.


Have you consudered costs such as "Use of Home as Office"?

Lots to think about.

Engineer1

10,486 posts

238 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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A good accountant may be able to legitimately reduce your profits without affecting your life, just by ensuring every claimable thing is claimed for.

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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Hysteria1983 said:
Eric Mc said:
Do you have other sources of income? - No

Do you already pay tax on those other sources of income? - N/A

Is your business making a profit or a loss. - Profit

If a profit - you will pay tax. - Not true, only if I earn over the tax free allowance.

If a loss, and you already pay tax under (say) PAYE, you could be able to offset the business losses and get some of your PAYE refunded to you.

What about Csapital Allowances?
Have you bought or leased equipment? I owned all my equipment prior to setting up due to a hobby


What type of claims do you intend to make for these types of costs.


Have you consudered costs such as "Use of Home as Office"?

Lots to think about.
Fair enough. If you are making a profit below the personal tax allowance and you have no other income then there will be no tax liability arising.

I presume your business profit will also be below the Class 2 NI Lower Earnings Threshold? (This threshold is NOT the same as the Personal Tax Allowance).

If it is, you will not have to pay Class 2 NI. However, you are supposed to notify HMRC in advance that you weill not be liable to Class 2 and you need to make a claim for the Small Earnings Exception in advance. I presume you have done that?

Regarding Capital ALlowances, if you have introduced assets into the business that you previously had owned (such as a vehicle or a computer) you can STILL claim Capital Allowances for those items. You can of course, claim Capital Allowances purchased since the start up of the business too.

Do you have any savings income such as Interest.

If you have, is it taxed at source?

Hysteria1983

Original Poster:

1,616 posts

187 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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Eric Mc said:
Fair enough. If you are making a profit below the personal tax allowance and you have no other income then there will be no tax liability arising.

I presume your business profit will also be below the Class 2 NI Lower Earnings Threshold? (This threshold is NOT the same as the Personal Tax Allowance).

If it is, you will not have to pay Class 2 NI. However, you are supposed to notify HMRC in advance that you weill not be liable to Class 2 and you need to make a claim for the Small Earnings Exception in advance. I presume you have done that?

Regarding Capital ALlowances, if you have introduced assets into the business that you previously had owned (such as a vehicle or a computer) you can STILL claim Capital Allowances for those items. You can of course, claim Capital Allowances purchased since the start up of the business too.

Do you have any savings income such as Interest.

If you have, is it taxed at source?
Yes the NI has all been looked into. I might consider the capital allowances if the buisness starts making a considerable amount.

Hoofy

79,993 posts

311 months

Tuesday 1st January 2013
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Simpo Two said:
I think the salient fact was '2 days' - ie when accountants are dissolving in a pool of sweat and fag ash smile
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I wouldn't do it, anyway. Got better things to do than waste people's time. smile