Viewings for rental - arranging with current tenant
Discussion
As you go round the first time beat the tenants with a broom.
You might lose the first set of viewers, but for subsequent viewings all you need do is carry the broom and show it to the tenants to keep them in order.
Alternatively, you could just call the tenants and let them know giving 24 hours plus notice. The nicer a relationship you have with them, the more effort they'll put in to keep the place nice and be co-operative without the need of the broom.
You might lose the first set of viewers, but for subsequent viewings all you need do is carry the broom and show it to the tenants to keep them in order.
Alternatively, you could just call the tenants and let them know giving 24 hours plus notice. The nicer a relationship you have with them, the more effort they'll put in to keep the place nice and be co-operative without the need of the broom.
RBOnline said:
I'm fairly certain you need the express permission of the tenant. You're not telling them you'll be around in 24 hours, you're asking the tenant if you can enter their home in 24 hours time.
Exactly this, if they dont want you there, then you have no right to go in. After all it is the tenants house, thats wht he/she is paying for.jgy6000 said:
RBOnline said:
I'm fairly certain you need the express permission of the tenant. You're not telling them you'll be around in 24 hours, you're asking the tenant if you can enter their home in 24 hours time.
Exactly this, if they dont want you there, then you have no right to go in. After all it is the tenants house, thats wht he/she is paying for.Access to the Property
1.38 To permit the Landlord or the Agent or other persons authorised by them: at all reasonable times after giving the Tenant at least twenty-four hours written notice (except in an emergency):
1.38.1 To enter the Property to examine the state and condition of the Property and Contents and to carry out repairs or maintenance to the Property or Contents and afford them all facilities so to do.
1.38.2 To enter and view the Property with prospective occupiers during the last two months of the tenancy.
I'm sure your agreement will say the same (or should!)
Assuming you are a good landlord just pre arrange with the T. They are usually fine about these things especially if they have been long term renters.
Ultimately as Cheers, The Moose says above you can give them 24 hours notice but it shouldnt be necessary if you have a good ongoing relationship with your T's
Ultimately as Cheers, The Moose says above you can give them 24 hours notice but it shouldnt be necessary if you have a good ongoing relationship with your T's
The Moose said:
This is what my AST says (standard NLA AST)
Access to the Property
1.38 To permit the Landlord or the Agent or other persons authorised by them: at all reasonable times after giving the Tenant at least twenty-four hours written notice (except in an emergency):
1.38.1 To enter the Property to examine the state and condition of the Property and Contents and to carry out repairs or maintenance to the Property or Contents and afford them all facilities so to do.
1.38.2 To enter and view the Property with prospective occupiers during the last two months of the tenancy.
I'm sure your agreement will say the same (or should!)
^^^Agree, and a tenant refusing entry to a landlord may be in breach of the above clause in the tenancy agreement, but by the landlord renting the property to the tenant, the landlord has agreed that the property will be the tenant's home. In Common Law a person's home is their Castle, and thereby the tenant has the right to say who and when a person/s enters their home. A landlord receiving refusal of entry by a tenant, has two courses of action, one applying to the courts for access, or to give the tenant Notice for possession.Access to the Property
1.38 To permit the Landlord or the Agent or other persons authorised by them: at all reasonable times after giving the Tenant at least twenty-four hours written notice (except in an emergency):
1.38.1 To enter the Property to examine the state and condition of the Property and Contents and to carry out repairs or maintenance to the Property or Contents and afford them all facilities so to do.
1.38.2 To enter and view the Property with prospective occupiers during the last two months of the tenancy.
I'm sure your agreement will say the same (or should!)
With covert cameras, a landlord entering a rental property after being refused entry by a tenant, may well be faced with a charge of criminal harassment section 6.2.12, or even a false claim of theft.
The Moose said:
This is what my AST says (standard NLA AST)
Access to the Property
1.38 To permit the Landlord or the Agent or other persons authorised by them: at all reasonable times after giving the Tenant at least twenty-four hours written notice (except in an emergency):
1.38.1 To enter the Property to examine the state and condition of the Property and Contents and to carry out repairs or maintenance to the Property or Contents and afford them all facilities so to do.
1.38.2 To enter and view the Property with prospective occupiers during the last two months of the tenancy.
I'm sure your agreement will say the same (or should!)
Just because something is written down on a signed piece of paper doesn't make it legal. Access to the Property
1.38 To permit the Landlord or the Agent or other persons authorised by them: at all reasonable times after giving the Tenant at least twenty-four hours written notice (except in an emergency):
1.38.1 To enter the Property to examine the state and condition of the Property and Contents and to carry out repairs or maintenance to the Property or Contents and afford them all facilities so to do.
1.38.2 To enter and view the Property with prospective occupiers during the last two months of the tenancy.
I'm sure your agreement will say the same (or should!)
If you know for sure you're right and I'm wrong then fair enough. But I'm fairly sure you can't enter someone's home without their permission, whether you own the property or not .
Edited by RBOnline on Thursday 15th May 23:37
Edited by RBOnline on Thursday 15th May 23:37
Simpo Two said:
No it isn't, it is the landlord's house. The tenants are merely borrowing it.
I really don't understand why some people have such a terrible problem with the idea of a landlord wishing to look at his own house.
It is the HOME of the tenant. That is more important than the fact the landlord owns the cash cow of a property. I really don't understand why some people have such a terrible problem with the idea of a landlord wishing to look at his own house.
RBOnline said:
The Moose said:
This is what my AST says (standard NLA AST)
Access to the Property
1.38 To permit the Landlord or the Agent or other persons authorised by them: at all reasonable times after giving the Tenant at least twenty-four hours written notice (except in an emergency):
1.38.1 To enter the Property to examine the state and condition of the Property and Contents and to carry out repairs or maintenance to the Property or Contents and afford them all facilities so to do.
1.38.2 To enter and view the Property with prospective occupiers during the last two months of the tenancy.
I'm sure your agreement will say the same (or should!)
Just because something is written down on a signed piece of paper doesn't make it legal. Access to the Property
1.38 To permit the Landlord or the Agent or other persons authorised by them: at all reasonable times after giving the Tenant at least twenty-four hours written notice (except in an emergency):
1.38.1 To enter the Property to examine the state and condition of the Property and Contents and to carry out repairs or maintenance to the Property or Contents and afford them all facilities so to do.
1.38.2 To enter and view the Property with prospective occupiers during the last two months of the tenancy.
I'm sure your agreement will say the same (or should!)
If you know for sure you're right and I'm wrong then fair enough. But I'm fairly sure you can't enter someone's home without their permission, whether you own the property or not .
Edited by RBOnline on Thursday 15th May 23:37
Edited by RBOnline on Thursday 15th May 23:37
What I don't understand however is why so many people view the landlord/tenant relationship as them vs. us as opposed to everyone working together.
Exactly. Its a situation my tenants often describe in the context of how we treat them not as friends but as equals if that makes sense. Theres no looking down from either side. As a result we have fantastic tenants and an easy life as Landlords. I see people in the game that are really just in it for the ego massage of woning property. They get 6 or 8 months out of tenants and loose them. Then they wonder why I only visit the properties every 6 months!
holes, we wanted to view a property that met our needs perfectly. 4 times the agent tried to arrange a viewing with the current tenants and each time they refused. We ended up going elsewhere. Just speak to the tenant, I can't see them being arsey about it. There are lots of things that need to be agreed with the landlord at the end of a tenancy (cleaning, damage, deposit return, etc), you don't let the landlord in, perhaps he's a bit more stringent with damage and giving you your deposit back. You play nice, he plays nice.
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