Burning business waste?
Burning business waste?
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myvision

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2,122 posts

165 months

Sunday 22nd June 2014
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If you run a business from home in a residential area can you legally burn in a barrel the waste that this business produces?
ie you run a road side burger van can you burn all the cardboard from the packaging of the burgers and stuff in your back garden? Or does it need to be disposed of by the council tip where you have a licence as a business?

R_U_LOCAL

2,708 posts

237 months

Sunday 22nd June 2014
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It is a legal requirement for any business, even businesses run from a home address, to have a trade waste contract with a licensed waste collector.

It is also an offence under the Environmental Protection Act to burn business waste.

V8RX7

28,982 posts

292 months

Sunday 22nd June 2014
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R_U_LOCAL said:
It is a legal requirement for any business, even businesses run from a home address, to have a trade waste contract with a licensed waste collector.
Surely that would depend upon the business.

Most small businesses don't generate much waste - none of my self employed friends have a waste contract.

Mound Dawg

1,925 posts

203 months

Sunday 22nd June 2014
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Probably because they're flying under the radar.

Difficult to get away with if your business was fitting part worn tyres.

R_U_LOCAL

2,708 posts

237 months

Sunday 22nd June 2014
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V8RX7 said:
R_U_LOCAL said:
It is a legal requirement for any business, even businesses run from a home address, to have a trade waste contract with a licensed waste collector.
Surely that would depend upon the business.

Most small businesses don't generate much waste - none of my self employed friends have a waste contract.
The size or type of business makes no difference. If you operate a business, you are required by the Environmental Protection Act 1990 to have a trade waste contract in place - and to keep the last 2 years records of your trade waste contracts.

I appreciate that many small businesses do not comply with this legislation, in much the same way that most of us do not always comply with speed limits, but the question was "can you legally burn or otherwise dispose of trade waste, and the answer is no.

Andyjc86

1,149 posts

178 months

Sunday 22nd June 2014
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I take all my cardboard (all car parts come in a box- does my head in) to a local recycling company. They take it for free. They also have my tyres at £1 a pop. Business waste doesn't have to cost a fortune.

R1 Indy

4,507 posts

212 months

Sunday 22nd June 2014
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I take all my trade waste (electrician) to the tip in my car.

Surely the easiest way?


V8RX7

28,982 posts

292 months

Sunday 22nd June 2014
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R1 Indy said:
I take all my trade waste (electrician) to the tip in my car.

Surely the easiest way?
Even I know that's illegal - there's signs up saying "no trade waste"

zcacogp

11,239 posts

273 months

Sunday 22nd June 2014
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V8RX7 said:
R1 Indy said:
I take all my trade waste (electrician) to the tip in my car.

Surely the easiest way?
Even I know that's illegal - there's signs up saying "no trade waste"
Perhaps everything he writes is a lie? smile


Oli.

Dixy

3,644 posts

234 months

Sunday 22nd June 2014
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If you take it yourself you also need a waste carrier licence, even if taking cardboard to the recycler. For licence read TAX.

IATM

3,948 posts

176 months

Monday 23rd June 2014
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I have to say I am really not sure why you even bothered to ask the question. Unless you are buring something toxic or something that is going to be directly harmful to someones health then just burn the dam bits of cardboard/paper.

I assume the waste is of such nature due to the example you gave of a burger van.

I know someone has mentioned about it being wrong to "legally" do this etc etc etc and on the other side of the coin clearly no small sizes business/self employed business gives a toss about this act of 1990 as people have mentioned about buring their waste/going to the local recycling tip to get rid of stuff.

I would understand if it was maybe a good medium sizes company/business to large corps that have a good size of waste to have a contract in place and of course depending on the type of waste but other than that its bloody stupid.

Our world has got into a state of despair now that people are craping themselves from buring a few bits of cardboard. It has got beyond a joke.

For the electrican who throws his rubbish in the tip - I think the councils should pay you money to do that - assholes make money from all of it! - do we see any benefit from it? Any reduction in council taxes? Excellent services? top end Health care???

Nope didn't think so....

Having one of those days

spikeyhead

20,394 posts

226 months

Monday 23rd June 2014
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V8RX7 said:
R_U_LOCAL said:
It is a legal requirement for any business, even businesses run from a home address, to have a trade waste contract with a licensed waste collector.
Surely that would depend upon the business.

Most small businesses don't generate much waste - none of my self employed friends have a waste contract.
Just how much waste does the average IT contractor, or an accountant generate? I know countless small businesses that don't generate waste.

jammy_basturd

29,778 posts

241 months

Monday 23rd June 2014
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spikeyhead said:
V8RX7 said:
R_U_LOCAL said:
It is a legal requirement for any business, even businesses run from a home address, to have a trade waste contract with a licensed waste collector.
Surely that would depend upon the business.

Most small businesses don't generate much waste - none of my self employed friends have a waste contract.
Just how much waste does the average IT contractor, or an accountant generate? I know countless small businesses that don't generate waste.
I guess the legislation is similar to that which requires every website to tell you if they use cookies or not (something PH doesn't even do).

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

227 months

Monday 23rd June 2014
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jammy_basturd said:
spikeyhead said:
V8RX7 said:
R_U_LOCAL said:
It is a legal requirement for any business, even businesses run from a home address, to have a trade waste contract with a licensed waste collector.
Surely that would depend upon the business.

Most small businesses don't generate much waste - none of my self employed friends have a waste contract.
Just how much waste does the average IT contractor, or an accountant generate? I know countless small businesses that don't generate waste.
I guess the legislation is similar to that which requires every website to tell you if they use cookies or not (something PH doesn't even do).
Think PH burn their cookies.

elster

17,517 posts

239 months

Monday 23rd June 2014
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R_U_LOCAL said:
It is a legal requirement for any business, even businesses run from a home address, to have a trade waste contract with a licensed waste collector.

It is also an offence under the Environmental Protection Act to burn business waste.
It is not a legal requirement to have a trade waste contract, just through a licensed carrier.

Lots of home businesses could produce no waste and as such would not be required to show anything.

All my waste goes through licensed waste people, but I do not have a contract.

Edited by elster on Monday 23 June 13:46

98elise

32,558 posts

190 months

Monday 23rd June 2014
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R_U_LOCAL said:
V8RX7 said:
R_U_LOCAL said:
It is a legal requirement for any business, even businesses run from a home address, to have a trade waste contract with a licensed waste collector.
Surely that would depend upon the business.

Most small businesses don't generate much waste - none of my self employed friends have a waste contract.
The size or type of business makes no difference. If you operate a business, you are required by the Environmental Protection Act 1990 to have a trade waste contract in place - and to keep the last 2 years records of your trade waste contracts.

I appreciate that many small businesses do not comply with this legislation, in much the same way that most of us do not always comply with speed limits, but the question was "can you legally burn or otherwise dispose of trade waste, and the answer is no.
My business is me contracting in clients offices. I supply no goods, just services. Am I still supposed to have a waste contract?

Silverage

2,409 posts

159 months

Tuesday 24th June 2014
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My homebased business generates a fair bit of cardboard waste from the boxes our stock comes in. I had been taking it all to the council tip when the pile got too big but that was a 20 mile round trip so I thought about just burning it.

Got a brazier type thing from eBay and chucked a load on it, flicked a match on and stood back. The amount of acrid black smoke produced was incredible. I don't think you would have got more from a tyre fire. Then there was ash going everywhere, big A4 sized pieces of partially burned cardboard flying off. I stuck it for about 10 minutes before I hosed it down, fearful that I would have a lynch mob of neighbours round. Brazier thing is now rusting by the side of the shed.

I now Freecycle the boxes. Stick them on as great for someone moving house and usually could get rid of each batch 5 times over.

Disclosure: I don't have a license for waste, big black bonfires or Freecycling. I don't think anyone really cares.

anonymous-user

83 months

Tuesday 24th June 2014
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Dixy said:
If you take it yourself you also need a waste carrier licence, even if taking cardboard to the recycler. For licence read TAX.
If you're only carrying your own waste then you can register for a lower-tier carrier's license, which is free. Currently.

Phateuk

995 posts

166 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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Silverage said:
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Got a brazier type thing from eBay and chucked a load on it, flicked a match on and stood back. The amount of acrid black smoke produced was incredible. I don't think you would have got more from a tyre fire. Then there was ash going everywhere, big A4 sized pieces of partially burned cardboard flying off. I stuck it for about 10 minutes before I hosed it down, fearful that I would have a lynch mob of neighbours round. Brazier thing is now rusting by the side of the shed.

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This genuinely made me laugh hehe

andyb28

1,161 posts

147 months

Saturday 28th June 2014
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Don't you think we are making up industries all over that are actually useless?

Recently have had a customer ask us to be ISO 27001, which involves a load of bods wanting my money. Same issues with Waste and procedures for getting rid of rubbish. Don't even get me started on the health and safety industry.

In fact it annoys me when I have to give money to anyone that deserves to be on the Golgafrincham's Ark B