Buying a commercial unit
Discussion
Happy new year folks, looking for some advice, as always.
Chatting to my brothers FIL over Christmas, he owns a small business park, 23 units I think, and owns/ rents them all out bar 1 which he does not own, the guy who does own it is retiring and it's up for sale . Still has 87 yrs on lease.
I mentioned I'd a few pennies I was looking to invest and he wanted to buy it, and would offer me 6% on any money I lent him. I'd look to lend him 50k.
But then I started to think, dangerous I know, why not buy the unit instead, it's up for 100k, put down my 50k, mortgage the rest, rent it out, other units of same size rent for 10-12 k a yr.
I already have 5 houses I rent so am used to dealing with tenants and problems that arise with being a landlord, just never with a commercial building.
So, what to do
Lend him £50k and get 6% for pretty much doing nothing
Buy it myself and with luck get 10-12% but also all the aggro that goes with renting it! plus of course mortgage costs.
Leave money in bank earning bugger all
Buy another house to rent
Buy a car,coke,hookers,blah blah blah.
As a side note, I own an acre of land that at present I run my company from, I'm looking at getting permission and building 10 ish houses on this land in the next 5 yrs, if this goes ahead I will be looking for a unit to move my business into, this one for sale is perfect, only being 4 miles away and the perfect size.
Thanks in advance for any pointers and help.
Chatting to my brothers FIL over Christmas, he owns a small business park, 23 units I think, and owns/ rents them all out bar 1 which he does not own, the guy who does own it is retiring and it's up for sale . Still has 87 yrs on lease.
I mentioned I'd a few pennies I was looking to invest and he wanted to buy it, and would offer me 6% on any money I lent him. I'd look to lend him 50k.
But then I started to think, dangerous I know, why not buy the unit instead, it's up for 100k, put down my 50k, mortgage the rest, rent it out, other units of same size rent for 10-12 k a yr.
I already have 5 houses I rent so am used to dealing with tenants and problems that arise with being a landlord, just never with a commercial building.
So, what to do
Lend him £50k and get 6% for pretty much doing nothing
Buy it myself and with luck get 10-12% but also all the aggro that goes with renting it! plus of course mortgage costs.
Leave money in bank earning bugger all
Buy another house to rent
Buy a car,coke,hookers,blah blah blah.
As a side note, I own an acre of land that at present I run my company from, I'm looking at getting permission and building 10 ish houses on this land in the next 5 yrs, if this goes ahead I will be looking for a unit to move my business into, this one for sale is perfect, only being 4 miles away and the perfect size.
Thanks in advance for any pointers and help.
zedstar said:
If the brothers FIL has 22 units and getting even 8k p.a. from each then that's £176k, if he needs £50k to get some additional finance or can't raise £50k from the bank then I'd not be lending my money. Unless you get a first charge on the unit obviously....
That makes good sense to me.I own three units on one site in a small local village and as a pension it makes perfect sense. I use two myself and have the third on a long lease. The advantages of working from your own building/s are massive and I really don't understand why more people don't look to buy commercial property.
zedstar said:
If the brothers FIL has 22 units and getting even 8k p.a. from each then that's £176k, if he needs £50k to get some additional finance or can't raise £50k from the bank then I'd not be lending my money. Unless you get a first charge on the unit obviously....
Don't lend the money. If an bank doesn't think he's good enough that's a sign,zedstar said:
If the brothers FIL has 22 units and getting even 8k p.a. from each then that's £176k, if he needs £50k to get some additional finance or can't raise £50k from the bank then I'd not be lending my money. Unless you get a first charge on the unit obviously....
Absolutely this. If I owned 22 units on an estate and the final piece of the jigsaw became available I would be buying it as quickly as humanly possible, and no doubt my current bank would be keen to lend me the money. I certainly wouldn't want to involve third parties into the picture and potentially create a future ransom element.There is something more to this and I'd be very wary of lending him the money.
zedstar said:
If the brothers FIL has 22 units and getting even 8k p.a. from each then that's £176k, if he needs £50k to get some additional finance or can't raise £50k from the bank then I'd not be lending my money. Unless you get a first charge on the unit obviously....
The guy owns and runs a building company, the business park was built as a retirement fund for him, the rents have been paying back building costs, finishing when he is due to retire in approx 3-5 yrs.He is a great guy, but does like the finer things in life, hence the option to borrow the money himself is a no go I would of course make sure I had a charge on the unit.
As for how he would feel if I bought the building myself, who knows, I would not do it behind his back, I'd let him know my plans, and that I felt buying it myself would be the better option. I'd like to think he would prefer myself as the owner rather than somebody he doesn't know.
Thanks for pointers so far folks, are there any other differences between renting out houses and commercial property that I should be aware of, and major costs I've not taken into account.
I find this topic very interesting. I have been investigating and looking into commerical property myself over the last 6 months and I have got to know a couple of people who have what I would say is a nice size portfolio. One has in excess of 100 propeties and the other I spoke to today had around 20.
I find it really impressive how people even manage to do this and my hat goes off to them.
I find it really impressive how people even manage to do this and my hat goes off to them.
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