VAT registration query
VAT registration query
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MadMullah

Original Poster:

5,299 posts

224 months

Friday 17th July 2015
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I've just become a sole trader as a same day courier

Is it worth me goin through VAT to claim back the fuel vat & van lease cost vs charging the customers vat for the service I provide?

I'm not going to be near the threshold so it will have to be voluntary registration.

227bhp

10,203 posts

159 months

Friday 17th July 2015
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Probably not. Ask yourself if you will get any more business by being registered? Some companies (who are) don't like dealing with those who aren't as they can't claim it back.
It's generally to be avoided because of the extra paperwork/accountants fees that you will incur too.

MadMullah

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5,299 posts

224 months

Friday 17th July 2015
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227bhp said:
Probably not. Ask yourself if you will get any more business by being registered? Some companies (who are) don't like dealing with those who aren't as they can't claim it back.
It's generally to be avoided because of the extra paperwork/accountants fees that you will incur too.
All my work initially will be through a third party so it's not as if I'm actually in direct contact with the companies.

If the aspect is whether or not I'll get more business then I think I'll leave it.

227bhp

10,203 posts

159 months

Friday 17th July 2015
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Yep. All you will become is a tax collector for the government.

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

188 months

Friday 17th July 2015
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If the majority of people/businesses you are billing are themselves VAT registered then yes, if they are not then no.

jammy_basturd

29,778 posts

243 months

Friday 17th July 2015
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PurpleMoonlight said:
If the majority of people/businesses you are billing are themselves VAT registered then yes, if they are not then no.
This would be the first question I'd answer.

If yes, then do you have much in the way of VAT'able expenses to claim back. If yes, then go with standard scheme, if no then go with flat rate.

227bhp

10,203 posts

159 months

Friday 17th July 2015
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jammy_basturd said:
This would be the first question I'd answer.
It was the first question I answered.

MadMullah

Original Poster:

5,299 posts

224 months

Thursday 23rd July 2015
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my main supplier of contracts is VAT registered, so I guess it would make sense

i'll have to have a sit down with my accountant and see how the lay of the land lies.

my other main expense with VAT is fuel -

so I charge my supplier VAT and claim back VAT on the fuel?

or is it I claim back VAT on the invoice and the fuel but pay it on what i'm making?

Countdown

49,526 posts

227 months

Thursday 23rd July 2015
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MadMullah said:
so I charge my supplier VAT and claim back VAT on the fuel?

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Yes. You charge VAT on all your supplies/sales/services* and reclaim any VAT charged on your purchases.



  • assuming they are VAT'able.

MadMullah

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5,299 posts

224 months

Thursday 23rd July 2015
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Countdown said:
Yes. You charge VAT on all your supplies/sales/services* and reclaim any VAT charged on your purchases.



  • assuming they are VAT'able.
yes its all VAT'able - doing deliveries.

s2sol

1,278 posts

202 months

Thursday 23rd July 2015
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I was a sole trader same day courier for 8 years, then a limited company for 3 years. At my peak, I had 4 of my own vans on the road, and several subbies.

If you're looking at getting all your work from one customer as a sub contractor, you'll not make a living. You need to find your own customers to make any money. If you're subbing for someone who's always looking for small van OD's, and have to buy a uniform and rent a PDA, you should rethink your plan.

I registered voluntarily from the outset. 75% of my customers were also registered, and it made no difference to them. Non-registered customers were generally a PITA, and not worth bothering with unless it was a backload or filled a quiet day.

If you do register, you charge your customers VAT, and claim VAT on your eligible costs. Every 3 months, you tell HMRC what your sales were, and the VAT element of them, and what your costs were, and the VAT element of them. Assuming you made a profit, you pay the difference to HMRC. If you didn't, you claim the VAT back.

It's not difficult to do, and you can easily do it yourself as long as you can keep invoices and accurate records. Get a fuelcard. You'll only have one diesel invoice a month to worry about.

jammy_basturd

29,778 posts

243 months

Thursday 23rd July 2015
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As above, every invoice you sent out you add VAT to.

Everything you buy you must ask for a VAT receipt. Then every so often you, or your accountant/book keeper, can claim back the VAT portion of those purchases. With mileage allowance you can claim back a portion as VATable. This is the standard rate scheme.

On the flat rate scheme you don't claim back on purchases (other than capital expenditure over £2,000), but you pay HMRC a fixed percentage depending on your industry: https://www.gov.uk/vat-flat-rate-scheme/overview. This scheme is good if you don't have many expenses to claim VAT back on, for example a purely services based industry.

eps

7,156 posts

300 months

Friday 24th July 2015
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MadMullah said:
I'm not going to be near the threshold so it will have to be voluntary registration.
Then don't bother - but remember the threshold is a 12 month rolling period (so not calendar based, accounting period based or financial year based). So if you see t/over in month 1 and then multiply by 12 and you think you will come close to or exceed the threshold then register. Of course month 1 may be particularly low, so review month on month, especially if turnover rises.

CRB14

1,494 posts

183 months

Friday 24th July 2015
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Would you not be on the flat rate if you register? If so then you can't claim back VAT expenses as its deemed to be recovered through the reduced repayment rate (unless it's over £2k from memory).

C Lee Farquar

4,233 posts

247 months

Friday 24th July 2015
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I would suggest you run this by an Accountant. The only downside with registration I can see is a little extra paperwork, for which your van running costs, phone and most other purchases will be 20% cheaper.