Higher rate stamp duty
Higher rate stamp duty
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fellatthefirst

Original Poster:

622 posts

185 months

Tuesday 20th December 2016
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I have a question, hoping someone can give a clear answer.

I own my own house
I am the director of a company that is looking to buy a residential property to let out

Do I have to pay the higher rate stamp duty on the purchase?

anonymous-user

84 months

Tuesday 20th December 2016
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The liability isn't yours, it is the company's

You can see the sdlt cost using the HMRC calculator, choose the company option as you work through it

https://www.tax.service.gov.uk/calculate-stamp-dut...

Eric Mc

125,790 posts

295 months

Tuesday 20th December 2016
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Still has to be paid.

fellatthefirst

Original Poster:

622 posts

185 months

Tuesday 20th December 2016
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Thanks for this. The increase since 1st April is huge! frown

williaa68

1,540 posts

196 months

Wednesday 21st December 2016
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I have a slightly different perspective. I have never seen why property as an asset class is treated differently from other assets. If I borrow to buy shares my interest isn't tax deductible. If I borrow to buy property it is. I am not sure there is an economic argument for one asset class having tax advantages to invest on a leveraged basis while all others don't. The playing field is being levelled to some extent but property for investment is still being favourably treated which is bound to distort the market.

kiethton

14,667 posts

210 months

Wednesday 21st December 2016
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williaa68 said:
I have a slightly different perspective. I have never seen why property as an asset class is treated differently from other assets. If I borrow to buy shares my interest isn't tax deductible. If I borrow to buy property it is. I am not sure there is an economic argument for one asset class having tax advantages to invest on a leveraged basis while all others don't. The playing field is being levelled to some extent but property for investment is still being favourably treated which is bound to distort the market.
But if you're a business (which a BTL is, in a way) you are able to offset the cost of interest as a valid business cost, as are BTL in a company wrapper. I think the government has got it completely wrong here TBH

Billsnemesis

817 posts

267 months

Wednesday 21st December 2016
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As of April 2017 a small buy to let landlord owning property directly will have a harsher tax regime than British Land, Land Securities or Grosvenor, the three biggest property companies in Britain.

And this is a government that supports free enterprise?

ninja-lewis

5,472 posts

220 months

Wednesday 21st December 2016
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kiethton said:
williaa68 said:
I have a slightly different perspective. I have never seen why property as an asset class is treated differently from other assets. If I borrow to buy shares my interest isn't tax deductible. If I borrow to buy property it is. I am not sure there is an economic argument for one asset class having tax advantages to invest on a leveraged basis while all others don't. The playing field is being levelled to some extent but property for investment is still being favourably treated which is bound to distort the market.
But if you're a business (which a BTL is, in a way) you are able to offset the cost of interest as a valid business cost, as are BTL in a company wrapper. I think the government has got it completely wrong here TBH
The Government published draft legislation earlier this month to restrict the tax deductibility of corporate interest expense. The Autumn Statement also raised concerns over high levels of incorporation and BTL landlords in corporate structures are likely to be one of their top targets.

kiethton

14,667 posts

210 months

Wednesday 21st December 2016
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ninja-lewis said:
kiethton said:
williaa68 said:
I have a slightly different perspective. I have never seen why property as an asset class is treated differently from other assets. If I borrow to buy shares my interest isn't tax deductible. If I borrow to buy property it is. I am not sure there is an economic argument for one asset class having tax advantages to invest on a leveraged basis while all others don't. The playing field is being levelled to some extent but property for investment is still being favourably treated which is bound to distort the market.
But if you're a business (which a BTL is, in a way) you are able to offset the cost of interest as a valid business cost, as are BTL in a company wrapper. I think the government has got it completely wrong here TBH
The Government published draft legislation earlier this month to restrict the tax deductibility of corporate interest expense. The Autumn Statement also raised concerns over high levels of incorporation and BTL landlords in corporate structures are likely to be one of their top targets.
Still just draft at the current time thankfully.

Terminator X

20,886 posts

234 months

Wednesday 21st December 2016
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Tax hike on Directors dividends is stalking us in the background too, not sure when it will hit as in actual payments due.

TX.

Eric Mc

125,790 posts

295 months

Wednesday 21st December 2016
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It came into effect on 6 April 2016 i.e the start of tax year 2016/17.

Therefore, tax arising will become part of the payment of your 2016/17 Self Assessment tax bill. This is due and payable by 31 January 2018.

When Making Tax Digital comes into effect in April 2018. I expect that dividend tax might end up being paid within weeks of the dividend itself - much as PAYE is now.

anonymous-user

84 months

Wednesday 21st December 2016
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Billsnemesis said:
As of April 2017 a small buy to let landlord owning property directly will have a harsher tax regime than British Land, Land Securities or Grosvenor, the three biggest property companies in Britain.

And this is a government that supports free enterprise?
Whereas previously the unincorporated LL had a massively favourable tax regime, including the offsetting of finance costs at her marginal tax rate (up to 45%)