Help with my renting my first commercial unit
Help with my renting my first commercial unit
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voicey

Original Poster:

2,494 posts

217 months

Saturday 7th January 2017
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I'm now in a position to rent my first unit. I have found one that looks promising, the rent and rates are affordable and it has the correct permissions. I have spoken to the agent and am viewing it next week.

Now I've read enough threads on here to know that I should appoint a surveyor to advise on transaction. My first question is can someone recommend a suitable surveyor to act for me - or perhaps there is someone on here? (I'd like to pass the business to a fellow PHr if possible). The unit is in West Kent.

Secondly, can someone give me a ball park figure of what I should be paying for such a service? The unit is approx 4,000 sqft if that makes any difference.

Finally, I'd welcome any further advice, particularly what the current climate is like for negotiating rent free periods.

Cheers...

Benjamesmorris

5 posts

145 months

Saturday 7th January 2017
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Hi,

From my experience, try and get your landlord to look after the maintance of the unit. Its hassle you dont have to worry about. 👍

Ben,




MrC986

3,755 posts

221 months

Monday 9th January 2017
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Most local authorities still have a property portfolio that they rent out for investment purposes - I suggest you try and see what the one in the area you are looking at has available to rent as an initial guide? As has been said, the repairing obligations/liabilities that you agree to will also have a direct influence on the rent you are paying. Remember to include in your running costs as buildings insurance and also estate service charge unless you're looking to pay an all inclusive rent.

As for what a surveyor would charge you, it'll depend on the level of rent likely to be paid etc. As to whether they'd charge you a % fee or possibly a flat fee. Also, try not to sign a lease where you are personally liable I.e. A personal guarantee, even if you have to pay some form of rent deposit instead.

surveyor

18,705 posts

214 months

Monday 9th January 2017
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For a Surveyor, budget 10% of rent. Suggest an incentivised basis if you wish also.

By all means try to get LL responsible for all repairs - but it will cost you. Take into account condition and then take a view.

Costs to expect are rent, insurance, service charge. Don't forget to budget for a solicitor. Good ones are not cheap, but worth their money!


voicey

Original Poster:

2,494 posts

217 months

Tuesday 10th January 2017
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Many thanks - much appreciated.

Does anyone have a recommendation for a surveyor in the area to act for me? Or any what to look for in a suitable surveyor?

surveyor

18,705 posts

214 months

Tuesday 10th January 2017
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Can you be a bit more specific than west Kent.?

voicey

Original Poster:

2,494 posts

217 months

Tuesday 10th January 2017
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Sorry - Sevenoaks

surveyor

18,705 posts

214 months

Tuesday 10th January 2017
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Sending you a PM with contact details for someone.

Mandat

4,645 posts

268 months

Tuesday 10th January 2017
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Make sure that you properly understand and take into account your potential dilapidations liability, which is likely to bite you when the lease term expires.

Chrisgr31

14,290 posts

285 months

Tuesday 10th January 2017
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Dont forget business rates, and if anyone suggests you should appeal take extreme care. Too many salesman involved. Post on here and I and others will be able to assist with rates

Muncher

12,235 posts

279 months

Tuesday 10th January 2017
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Drop me a line if you need a solicitor, I'm a commercial property solicitor.

voicey

Original Poster:

2,494 posts

217 months

Wednesday 11th January 2017
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Thanks again. Rates are affordable (thankfully)!

Muncher - I will bear you in mind as and when.

singlecoil

35,834 posts

276 months

Wednesday 11th January 2017
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voicey said:
Finally, I'd welcome any further advice, particularly what the current climate is like for negotiating rent free periods.
How long has the unit in question been empty? AIUI the landlord will be paying the full rates on it and will be keen to offload that burden. I'd ask for six months if it's been empty for a while.

Also, what are you going to do in it? Something car oriented I trust.

voicey

Original Poster:

2,494 posts

217 months

Wednesday 11th January 2017
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singlecoil said:
How long has the unit in question been empty? AIUI the landlord will be paying the full rates on it and will be keen to offload that burden. I'd ask for six months if it's been empty for a while.

Also, what are you going to do in it? Something car oriented I trust.
Thanks, It's been empty for a while so I'm aiming for six months rent free.

And yes, definitely car related.

Muncher

12,235 posts

279 months

Wednesday 11th January 2017
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What's the length of the term and level of rent approximately?

Wombat3

15,094 posts

236 months

Wednesday 11th January 2017
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Best advice we were given was to create your own schedule of condition and have it incorporated into the lease. Almost all commercial leases will be "full repairing" so its important to get recorded what the state of the place is /was when you took it over because you will be obliged to return it to that condition when you leave. Basically just take a bunch of photographs inside & out & create a document with comments as to what they are showing (i.e. damp patch here, damaged brick there etc). It won't take you long & it may save you a lot of aggro.

voicey

Original Poster:

2,494 posts

217 months

Wednesday 11th January 2017
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Thanks for all the advice. This particular unit is a non-starter for me as there's a travelers site nearby (which I didn't spot on the first visit).

No doubt I'll be back soon...

Billsnemesis

817 posts

267 months

Friday 13th January 2017
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Muncher said:
Drop me a line if you need a solicitor, I'm a commercial property solicitor.
So am I, and I'm closer biggrin

singlecoil

35,834 posts

276 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Muncher said:
Drop me a line if you need a solicitor, I'm a commercial property solicitor.
Have dropped you a line smile

Muncher

12,235 posts

279 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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singlecoil said:
Have dropped you a line smile
Will give you a call shortly!