Do we really need an SSL Certificate?
Do we really need an SSL Certificate?
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CardinalFang

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681 posts

198 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Our web design company are recommending we add an SSL certificate to our company website. (Not sure if posting the URL here would be classed as advertising, but it's in my profile). It's a B2B information site, not a retail/transaction site. We don't offer any kind of sign-up/newsletter, but a prospect could enter their details to be contacted. The closer from the web design company is that "Google is giving preferences to secure sites, regardless of whether you accept payment information" & they are "giving their clients the heads up before Google flags two thirds of the web as "unsafe". Ok so the cost is £200 pa (+vat), so not exactly terrifying, but it's the principle, I think. I'd appreciate anyone's input - this really isn't my field. (mods, please move to computers if that's a better venue for this query, ta). Thanks, N.

geeks

11,788 posts

169 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Having one is probably worthwhile and if you get a wildcard cert it can be used elsewhere. Cost seems a little on the high side to me though. A cert isn't expensive and takes minutes to setup and also doesn't need maintenance beyond renewals...

Tuna

19,930 posts

314 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Use LetsEncrypt and it costs nothing. https://letsencrypt.org/

CardinalFang

Original Poster:

681 posts

198 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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geeks, tuna, thanks for the info. I think we'll be tied in to whatever is our web company's chosen solution, unfortunately. Much appreciated.

Splats

625 posts

192 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Tuna, I've just checked my cPanel and I have a "Let's Encrypt" functionality that allows me to issue a certificate and it will be automatically kept up to date. Is it really that simple to get SSL on my websites? Are there any downsides I've maybe not considered?

LDN

9,314 posts

233 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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Splats said:
Tuna, I've just checked my cPanel and I have a "Let's Encrypt" functionality that allows me to issue a certificate and it will be automatically kept up to date. Is it really that simple to get SSL on my websites? Are there any downsides I've maybe not considered?
Interested to know this also...

And to the op; they are right... Google will be seeding secure sites higher - I've heard

mr_spock

3,376 posts

245 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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Google will put secure sites higher, and are suggesting that AMP enabled sites will also get better rankings (nothing to do with SSL).

I used Startcom until the browser vendors stopped trusting them!

CardinalFang

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681 posts

198 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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LDN, Mr Spock - thanks for the extra info - much appreciated.

ecs

1,452 posts

200 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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All websites should be using HTTP 2.0 now really, and HTTP 2.0 requires SSL. An SSL certificate for these purposes does not cost £200! The expensive certificates come with a 'warranty' meaning that you have an insurance policy against people suffering from fraud while using your website (highly generalised explanation alert!). This is only useful if you're accepting some sort of transaction over your website.

A general purpose SSL certificate costs about £30 per year and will give you no 'warranty' but they will check that your contact details are valid. Let's Encrypt are free and do the same thing as a cheap SSL cert in all intents and purposes, but expire far sooner. These are great to use if you have some form of automation for renewing them. I use a service called Laravel Forge for server provisioning, this automatically updates Let's Encrypt certificates before the expire.

Another alternative is to host your domain's DNS on Cloudflare who will upgrade your connection to SSL and HTTP 2.0 free of charge. You'll be sharing the certificate with a number of other domain names, but no one will really notice or care for a basic business web page. They'll also provide optimisations which will speed up your website's performance earning further Google brownie points.

Edited by ecs on Wednesday 8th March 09:41

Altrezia

8,742 posts

241 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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It's simple to do - but don't forget to force your site to run over HTTPs. I assume CPanel (and whatever other systems you use) will do that for you if you use a one-click install smile

CardinalFang

Original Poster:

681 posts

198 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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ecs, Altrezia - thanks. As I said above, we'll doubtless be tied into whatever solution our web company comes up with, so whilst £200 pa might well be a rip off compared to the alternatives, it's not a massive amount overall. Cheers, N.

Tuna

19,930 posts

314 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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Yup, it really is that simple. LE has plugins for a number of panels that will auto-renew the certificate.

The difference is that the LE certificates don't allow you to do complex subdomain/wildcard stuff, which is not going to matter if you are just hosting a simple site, and the certificates are designed to expire very quickly, after just three months. This quick expiry is designed to stop people from using old certificates for impersonation and is why a plugin is necessary to keep your site security up to date.

In general now, browsers and search sites are moving towards demoting sites that don't have a secure connection. You'll notice that a number of the big sites have recently become https only, and that trend will continue. It's surprising PH hasn't swapped yet.

Lexual

513 posts

243 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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I have a couple of Wix websites I built myself, I was contacted by someone (a PHer I think) to tell me my websites were not secure and didn't have the SSL certificate, they offered to secure my site for a sum of money and an annual fee I think.

It took me less than 2 minutes to secure both sites through wix for free, I'm sure this person would have seen they were wix based sites and probably knew i could do it for nothing.

Do you know who your websites are hosted through? it might be a very simple fix you can do yourself.

dmsims

7,465 posts

297 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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£200 pa is a cheeky piss take rip off

Find someone else to do your site

CardinalFang

Original Poster:

681 posts

198 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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dmsims, all, I know, I know, you're right. Not my call unfortunately. We're tied in & the site design/support/admin is all farmed out to a mate of the company owner...'Nuff said. Hands tied etc & I was just asked if it was a good idea. Never having looked before I thought I'd come on here & check. Appreciate everyone's input, but I think the answer has to be yes, please give us the opportunity to pay you £200 pa...

dmsims

7,465 posts

297 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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Hmmm

I would be moving if it was my site ............



CardinalFang

Original Poster:

681 posts

198 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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because the image is?

dmsims

7,465 posts

297 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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CardinalFang said:
because the image is?
The server your website is on!

CardinalFang

Original Poster:

681 posts

198 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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And?

Sorry I've no idea what game this is. The website is up & you're showing me a blank screenshot of a login. Of our server. Not hosted, supported or administered by me, or indeed anyone in this postcode. If I knew what your image was supposed to mean & what I was supposed to do about it, I probably wouldn't need to be on here asking whether a site needs SSL.

You might as well have sent my dog a picture of Belgium.

If it's broken, or unsecured, or vulnerable, or corrupted in anyway, then what's the problem & what do I need to ask someone to do about it? Thanks.

MockingJay

1,314 posts

159 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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Another upside to having SSL on your website is that it comes up as secure (or padlock icon) in browsers which might make potential customers a little more likely to trust you / your website.