Business IT Query...
Business IT Query...
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mx stu

Original Poster:

837 posts

253 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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I've recently moved from a multi national to a small company and am looking for some advice as to what other small businesses do.

We are approximately 6 people and the majority of our work is done in excel and word. We have an external IT 'man' but it seems to me that the work he does for us is on the side of much larger projects, so is more reactive than proactive. I want to try and get an idea of what we should be doing to see if its something he can actually help us with or if we need to move on.

My first concern is e-mail. Apparently its not possible to set our e-mail up to simultaneously deliver to outlook/ iphone. The IT man has set it up so that when an e-mail is delivered to the server it is then forwarded on to individual gmail accounts that our phones pick up. Half of these don't actually deliver to my phone and there is no way of replying to e-mails without showing that its been sent from gmail - which seems unprofessional to me.

Secondly we have a physical server. I say server it's more of an old desktop PC that has a backup power supply. It's sat in the corner of my office and creaks along all day. Although we only work in excel/ word it is important that we keep/ backup everything we do.

I am far from an IT expert and my plan is to understand what others actually do, get an idea of the cost and then look to implement. My initial googlings seem to suggest something like a Rackspace solution? Presumably we would move our e-mail to their servers and this would mean e-mail is pushed to phones/ outlook at the same time. Similarly I assume we could do away with the physical server in the office and have this hosted by them? or am I being too simplistic?

Any comments/ thoughts/ advice gratefully received.

Rutter

2,087 posts

236 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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Sounds like you would benefit from moving into Microsoft 365, have your email hosted with them and share all your files on one drive. then you can do away with your server.

Harpoon

2,546 posts

244 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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What sort of budget do you have?

I'd look at moving your e-mail to Office 365 (or Google Apps). Proper sync'ing of mail / contacts / calendar between devices. Office 365 Exchange Online Plan 1 gives each user a 50GB mailbox for £3/user/month

https://products.office.com/en-gb/exchange/compare...

With the right service package, you could also start to use OneDrive for Business (Office 365) or Google Drive as your document store, ditching on the old server. That said, if everyone is office based and you're Internet connection isn't great, keeping files on local server or NAS is still worth considering.

Office 365 Business is £3.80/user/month - you get the 50GB mailbox, but also 1TB of OneDrive storage for the extra 80p.

https://products.office.com/en-gb/compare-all-micr...

khushy

3,984 posts

249 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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we use hosted exchange for email, delivered to ALL our devices without any issues + office 365 for the cheapest subscription based office software + dropbox for file sharing

ALL cheaper than a bag of chips and 100% reliable, if you choose the correct provider


Pot Bellied Fool

2,264 posts

267 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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Sounds like you need a better IT Man! smile

What you describe is pretty normal small business stuff and there's no reason at all to be using GMail addresses like that! My iPhone gets emails perfectly from 2 Exchange (O365) accounts and 2 or 3 IMAP accounts with nary a glitch.

You could do it through O365 or just through putting emails on IMAP based mailboxes so that Desktop & phones are always singing off the same hymn sheet.

Nothing wrong with using an old PC as a file server as such but usually far better to consider cloud or an office NAS with multiple drives for redundancy. Remember... ant office NAS also needs to have offsite backups. No good having a box with multiple drives & RAID redundancy if it catches fire or getting pinched. Remember the golden rule of IT, if it doesn't exist in three places, then it doesn't exist at all!

Speak to a couple of local IT Support businesses that deal with the SME sector, they'll be falling over themselves to get you sorted out. It's bread & butter stuff.

You do not want to be looking after your own servers on Rackspace unless you wish to spend more time learning IT than doing your own job!

Rutter

2,087 posts

236 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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Where in the country are you OP i'm sure we could get some recommendations of firms willing to help on here.

mx stu

Original Poster:

837 posts

253 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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Thanks for all the replies so far, some really useful stuff. The office 365 solution looks good and is indeed what I had where I was working before here.


Rutter said:
Where in the country are you OP i'm sure we could get some recommendations of firms willing to help on here.
We are based in Cambridgeshire.

Australiam

277 posts

159 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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Hi.

Without knowing all details, I would also recommend the o365 route and it is a model we have implemented for a number of PH'ers.

I have just sent you a PM.

Rutter

2,087 posts

236 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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mx stu said:
We are based in Cambridgeshire.
Bit far from us in Milton Keynes then but i'm sure a local search for a 365 provider would work out for you, or you could deal with MS directly for your licencing.

jamoor

14,506 posts

245 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2019
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I'd recommend Google apps over o365.


Australiam

277 posts

159 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2019
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jamoor said:
I'd recommend Google apps over o365.
In the context of what the OP has asked (email, cloud storage, backup etc) or other factors, can you explain why? (do you have experience of trying to achieve the same results with both?)

This is a genuine question, as I am interested to know what it is that made you form your view?

jamoor

14,506 posts

245 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2019
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Australiam said:
In the context of what the OP has asked (email, cloud storage, backup etc) or other factors, can you explain why? (do you have experience of trying to achieve the same results with both?)

This is a genuine question, as I am interested to know what it is that made you form your view?
Easier to use, support is first rate.

Microsoft is generally known for shoddy 3rd rate products so I would give anything made by them a very wide berth.


sjg

7,682 posts

295 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2019
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Office 365 is a really good fit for smaller businesses. Under a tenner a month per person and you get your Office licencing sorted (always on the latest version, up to 5 devices each), a 50GB mailbox that works from everywhere, more sharepoint/onedrive space than you can possibly use (1TB per user, but pooled together), and collab/online meetings with Teams. Pay a little more and it can be your phone system too.

Rutter

2,087 posts

236 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2019
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jamoor said:
Easier to use
Try telling that to Doris who has been using word for the last 15 years and knows nothing else, its bad enough when they change versions of the same software.

Mr Pointy

13,414 posts

189 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2019
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jamoor said:
Australiam said:
In the context of what the OP has asked (email, cloud storage, backup etc) or other factors, can you explain why? (do you have experience of trying to achieve the same results with both?)

This is a genuine question, as I am interested to know what it is that made you form your view?
Easier to use, support is first rate.

Microsoft is generally known for shoddy 3rd rate products so I would give anything made by them a very wide berth.
How's Inbox working out for you? Oh, it isn't as Google just dumped it, along with a couple of hundred of other products along the way. People built very good workflows around it & now they've just been cast adrift.

Let's not mention how you share everything with Google so they can datamine it.

Dan_M5

616 posts

173 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2019
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if you are interested in migrating to O365 im only down the A14 and happy to have a chat regarding costs etc.

Zoon

7,305 posts

151 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2019
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Bloody hell it's not difficult if he knows anything about IT.
He should have set it up as IMAP, not messing about forwarding stuff to Gmail.

Sounds like he's an amateur.

deckster

9,631 posts

285 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2019
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jamoor said:
Microsoft is generally known for shoddy 3rd rate products so I would give anything made by them a very wide berth.
No, they're really not. That might be your opinion, but I would suggest it is driven largely by personal bias rather than any empirical evidence.

Both Google and MS have excellent online office suites although for business use Office 365 can often be the better option purely as people are used to the product set, and it makes exchanging documents easier as most other people also use some flavour of Office.

Australiam

277 posts

159 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2019
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jamoor said:
Australiam said:
In the context of what the OP has asked (email, cloud storage, backup etc) or other factors, can you explain why? (do you have experience of trying to achieve the same results with both?)

This is a genuine question, as I am interested to know what it is that made you form your view?
Easier to use, support is first rate.

Microsoft is generally known for shoddy 3rd rate products so I would give anything made by them a very wide berth.
Thanks. Interesting, but I would say this is not what I have experienced (more in regards to your 'shoddy products' comment than support, (I have not used Google's support, so cannot comment)). I have nothing against Google Apps, but for many of the reasons called out in this thread and others, I still believe o365 makes the most sense for the OP, given what we know about their environment.

jamoor

14,506 posts

245 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2019
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deckster said:
No, they're really not. That might be your opinion, but I would suggest it is driven largely by personal bias rather than any empirical evidence.

Both Google and MS have excellent online office suites although for business use Office 365 can often be the better option purely as people are used to the product set, and it makes exchanging documents easier as most other people also use some flavour of Office.
I don't really think you need any evidence, just look at vista and Windows Me.