Client wanting to see supplier invoices
Client wanting to see supplier invoices
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StevieBee

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15,401 posts

285 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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This is a new one! Public Sector client is introducing a new auditing policy requiring us to provide the invoices we receive from our suppliers for goods and services we buy as part of the projects we deliver for our client.

This obviously reveals our margins. I don't have a huge issue with this but it doesn't sit that comfortably with me.

The client is a good one and we have a good relationship with them but can they actually do this?

randlemarcus

13,646 posts

261 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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Are you allowed to redact them? FoI requests of public sector are often refused because they contain confidential commercial data, so I can see why you might choose to feel a bit off, being expected to pony it up.

R8Steve

4,150 posts

205 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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StevieBee said:
This is a new one! Public Sector client is introducing a new auditing policy requiring us to provide the invoices we receive from our suppliers for goods and services we buy as part of the projects we deliver for our client.

This obviously reveals our margins. I don't have a huge issue with this but it doesn't sit that comfortably with me.

The client is a good one and we have a good relationship with them but can they actually do this?
They can certainly ask, not sure why they would want to see them or why anyone would let them. The only invoices they should be interested in is the ones they get from you for goods and services.

LeoSayer

7,838 posts

274 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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Why do they want to see the invoices? I assume it's to make sure you haven't bought stuff off books or from a dodgy source. In that case, redacting amounts may be the answer.

Who is doing the audit?

If it's a third party then maybe you could insist on an agreement around confidentiality.


Simpo Two

92,930 posts

295 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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StevieBee said:
This is a new one! Public Sector client is introducing a new auditing policy requiring us to provide the invoices we receive from our suppliers for goods and services we buy as part of the projects we deliver for our client.

This obviously reveals our margins. I don't have a huge issue with this but it doesn't sit that comfortably with me.

The client is a good one and we have a good relationship with them but can they actually do this?
My first question then would be 'What for?'

If it's to ensure the goods come from organic self-cleansing Andean sheep, remove the numbers and send.

If it's to find out how much you pay for stuff, I'd tell them it's confidential. If they complain, ask them how much they earn.

StevieBee

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15,401 posts

285 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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Cheers for your thoughts.

I've since established that it's part of some transparency drive. They just need paper evidence that something was provided. We can redact the price!

Begs the question as to the purpose of a delivery note but there you go! Public Sector! Creates a job for someone I suppose.

Mr Overheads

2,632 posts

206 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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StevieBee said:
Cheers for your thoughts.

I've since established that it's part of some transparency drive. They just need paper evidence that something was provided. We can redact the price!

Begs the question as to the purpose of a delivery note but there you go! Public Sector! Creates a job for someone I suppose.
Also helps them identify suppliers where they can perhaps buy direct and cut out your margin. Might not be relevant to your sector, but certainly will in some.

Simpo Two

92,930 posts

295 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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When did 'redact' replace 'remove'?

randlemarcus

13,646 posts

261 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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Simpo Two said:
When did 'redact' replace 'remove'?
Because going over the document with a Sharpie is easier than with a craft knife. Thus redact wink

Sporky

12,406 posts

94 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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Simpo Two said:
If it's to find out how much you pay for stuff, I'd tell them it's confidential.
In general, this - point out that it would violate your contract with the supplier, which mandates that you do not reveal any cost pricing.

Though I see that this point is now irrelephant. smile

Mr Pointy

13,414 posts

189 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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StevieBee said:
Cheers for your thoughts.

I've since established that it's part of some transparency drive. They just need paper evidence that something was provided. We can redact the price!

Begs the question as to the purpose of a delivery note but there you go! Public Sector! Creates a job for someone I suppose.
How does seeing an order from you to the supplier show that you delivered something to the client? As you say, that's what your delivery note does.

InitialDave

15,141 posts

149 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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Simpo Two said:
When did 'redact' replace 'remove'?
About 150 years ago.

stevemcs

10,350 posts

123 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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Mr Overheads said:
Also helps them identify suppliers where they can perhaps buy direct and cut out your margin. Might not be relevant to your sector, but certainly will in some.
That would also be my concern.

iphonedyou

10,421 posts

187 months

Saturday 28th September 2019
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Simpo Two said:
When did 'redact' replace 'remove'?
Since people started talking about redaction, rather than removal.

StevieBee

Original Poster:

15,401 posts

285 months

Saturday 28th September 2019
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Simpo Two said:
When did 'redact' replace 'remove'?
I think it's a legal term. Redaction obscures content so you can see that something is there but cannot see what it is. Removal removes the content so there is no way of knowing that something was there in the first place.

Back in the day when I was a graphic designer (80s, early 90s) we'd produce prospectuses for companies floating on the Stock Exchange. We needed to know the quantity of text in order to work out the typesetting parameters but quite a bit of the info was embargoed so we'd receive redacted copy to work from. When the embargo was lifted, we'd get the un-redacted copy and apply the same typesetting parameters so the final copy all fitted nicely.

Simpo Two

92,930 posts

295 months

Saturday 28th September 2019
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StevieBee said:
Simpo Two said:
When did 'redact' replace 'remove'?
I think it's a legal term. Redaction obscures content so you can see that something is there but cannot see what it is. .
Ah, Tipp-Ex. Gotcha.

The Moose

23,683 posts

239 months

Saturday 28th September 2019
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Simpo Two said:
StevieBee said:
Simpo Two said:
When did 'redact' replace 'remove'?
I think it's a legal term. Redaction obscures content so you can see that something is there but cannot see what it is. .
Ah, Tipp-Ex. Gotcha.
rolleyes

Zetec-S

6,927 posts

123 months

Saturday 28th September 2019
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Was it a competitively won contract, or non-competitive?

Company I used to work for got a lot of non-competitive work from the government, which had an open-book policy enabling them to review the contract profitability and ensure they were getting value for money.

InitialDave

15,141 posts

149 months

Saturday 28th September 2019
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Simpo Two said:
Ah, Tipp-Ex. Gotcha.
Not really sure what your angle is here. "Redacted" is a perfectly normal word, and is being used correctly in this context. It does not mean the same as "removed", and it's been in use for a very long time.

Dr Interceptor

8,183 posts

226 months

Monday 30th September 2019
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There's no way I'd be sharing that information. They might try and bypass you in the future by dealing direct with your suppliers