Index tracker for a business?
Index tracker for a business?
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768

Original Poster:

20,713 posts

126 months

Wednesday 6th May 2020
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My business generates money based on me. It does well enough but I haven't figured out how to grow it from me yet, at least not in a direction I want to go. I need to figure that out at some point but so far have failed.

Consequently the business is sitting on some cash and the pile is growing but not earning. If it were me personally I'd shove it in a Vanguard tracker and forget about it until I needed it, but they don't seem to offer business accounts.

I've a vague recollection as well of this not being a good look - investing profits somewhere other than the business, but that sounds questionable to me.

Any suggestions?

Simpo Two

92,907 posts

295 months

Wednesday 6th May 2020
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A business ISA, hmm.

Limited company or sole trader?

768

Original Poster:

20,713 posts

126 months

Wednesday 6th May 2020
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Limited. Not an ISA - not expecting a personal tax break.

Simpo Two

92,907 posts

295 months

Wednesday 6th May 2020
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768 said:
Limited. Not an ISA - not expecting a personal tax break.
I was thinking of it from the other side - ie not a company with a special sort of bank account, but an investment product that could be adapted/used by a company as opposed to an individual.

768

Original Poster:

20,713 posts

126 months

Thursday 7th May 2020
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Exactly that then, yes. smile

plasticpig

12,932 posts

255 months

Thursday 7th May 2020
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How long are you willing to tie the cash up for?





768

Original Poster:

20,713 posts

126 months

Thursday 7th May 2020
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Not very, I'd want it available to the business in case anything changes and I'm able to make use of it.

JulianPH

10,084 posts

144 months

Thursday 7th May 2020
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If you are not prepared to commit to a decent investment term then index trackers are not going to be suitable for you as shorter term volatility can mean you lose money if you need to come out before markets have recovered.

I understand that your cash is losing against inflation, but it has security in return.

A halfway house could be something that was more focused on bonds. These offer a much higher potential return than cash but with much less volatility than equities (index trackers following stockmarkets.

Give me a shout if you would like to know more.



deggles

723 posts

232 months

Thursday 7th May 2020
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I'm in a similar position, but coming down on the side of investing the funds personally as tax-efficiently as possible (company pension contributions mainly) and a probable future MVL with entrepreneur's relief.

If you do want to keep the funds inside the business, this guy has some interesting ideas:
https://www.foxymonkey.com/how-to-invest-your-comp...

Having a separate company from your trading business for the investment side seems prudent.

Normal 'I am not an accountant' disclaimers apply.

anonymous-user

84 months

Thursday 7th May 2020
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HL offer a biz account. I stick mine in ultra low risk funds and pay tax on gains of course

Mr Overheads

2,632 posts

206 months

Thursday 7th May 2020
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rebuildingsociety.com offer a Directors Loan ISA - you set your own interest rate.

(I'm a non-exec this isnt' a financial promotion nor is it advice, always do your own due diligence)

768

Original Poster:

20,713 posts

126 months

Monday 24th August 2020
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Sambucket said:
HL offer a biz account. I stick mine in ultra low risk funds and pay tax on gains of course
It seems they don't at the moment - temporarily suspended due to covid apparently.

https://www.hl.co.uk/features/coronavirus-informat...

Mr Overheads

2,632 posts

206 months

Monday 24th August 2020
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Repeat of a post I put on another thread that seems to be appropriate here:

I put some capital into a WiseAlpha Business Account and have spread it over as many bonds as possible in sectors I feel are safer i.e haven't bought any retail/hospitality bonds, I have bought infrastructure for example. In 3 months I'm about 7% up so far and I keep reinvesting the interest payments in bonds I don't yet own to spread the risk further. Of course it's riskier than holding cash savings, but overall I think the risk is worth it when thinly spread over many many company bonds.

They also have a robo-invest product if you want to leave it upto an algorithm to pick bonds for you.

My referral link:
https://www.wisealpha.com/?ref=RDZ1ekl5VYOgMpw

Non-referral link:
www.wisealpha.com