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It's a how long is a piece of string question. Depends on your consumption level, your seasonality, your credit rating and your regional supplier area and your meter type.
You can use this link to get reasonable rates once you've keyed in a few details, it's a quote engine may of the big utility brokers use too, nothing in it for us:
https://www.energylinxforbusiness.co.uk/
Or if you want advice and a wider range of quotes then pm me and I'll introduce you to my colleague who is an energy specialist and we'll get the commission instead of Energylinx
You can use this link to get reasonable rates once you've keyed in a few details, it's a quote engine may of the big utility brokers use too, nothing in it for us:
https://www.energylinxforbusiness.co.uk/
Or if you want advice and a wider range of quotes then pm me and I'll introduce you to my colleague who is an energy specialist and we'll get the commission instead of Energylinx
Edited by Mr Overheads on Thursday 29th April 10:57
Hi Mr Overheads, sorry to butt in on the thread
Would love some advice too, (Can't pm yet as I was a non-user lurker, need to wait 24 hrs before PM)
We're looking for new electric suppliers too and I have the slightest on where to start to get the best deal,
we are spending around 2.7k/month on electrics 1 site
Would love some advice too, (Can't pm yet as I was a non-user lurker, need to wait 24 hrs before PM)
We're looking for new electric suppliers too and I have the slightest on where to start to get the best deal,
we are spending around 2.7k/month on electrics 1 site
We switched to Bulb Energy last year, which gave us a saving on Eon, and also claim to be 100% Carbon Neutral.
We're relatively small users at about 3-4000 kwh per month.
However
Just had an email putting up their price from 12.87p per Kwh to 17.47p per Kwh, which is 36%
It seems a bit hard to bear, or just suck it up?
We're relatively small users at about 3-4000 kwh per month.
However
Just had an email putting up their price from 12.87p per Kwh to 17.47p per Kwh, which is 36%
It seems a bit hard to bear, or just suck it up?
Mehul said:
Hi Mr Overheads, sorry to butt in on the thread
Would love some advice too, (Can't pm yet as I was a non-user lurker, need to wait 24 hrs before PM)
We're looking for new electric suppliers too and I have the slightest on where to start to get the best deal,
we are spending around 2.7k/month on electrics 1 site
If your spending that much per month then there are definite opportunities for investigation. You'll most likely have a HH meter so contract options are very varied. Fully Fixed, Partially Fixed, Full Pass Through, Capped Pass Through etc etc. All have their risks and benefits. Short version:Would love some advice too, (Can't pm yet as I was a non-user lurker, need to wait 24 hrs before PM)
We're looking for new electric suppliers too and I have the slightest on where to start to get the best deal,
we are spending around 2.7k/month on electrics 1 site
At one end you have fully fixed where the supplier takes all the risks that the underlying costs change.
At the other end the supplier passes all the risk onto you because the only fixed element is the wholesale cost, but all the transport, infrastructure, taxes, carbon credits etc are at your risk they change.
I'm MrOverheads on twitter too, so you can dm me on there.
dartissimus said:
We switched to Bulb Energy last year, which gave us a saving on Eon, and also claim to be 100% Carbon Neutral.
We're relatively small users at about 3-4000 kwh per month.
However
Just had an email putting up their price from 12.87p per Kwh to 17.47p per Kwh, which is 36%
It seems a bit hard to bear, or just suck it up?
We had the same email. Its a massive jump and really frustrating as we'd only been with them a month so we'll be switching again. We're relatively small users at about 3-4000 kwh per month.
However
Just had an email putting up their price from 12.87p per Kwh to 17.47p per Kwh, which is 36%
It seems a bit hard to bear, or just suck it up?
I work for a large national utility and my team deal with business customers.
I can’t promise the cheapest prices, but happy for the team to quote you.
No commission added on as ultimately the consumer pays for this (even if they say the supplier pays, the supplier will just add it onto the unit rate)
PM me if you want me to put you in touch with a member of my team,
I can’t promise the cheapest prices, but happy for the team to quote you.
No commission added on as ultimately the consumer pays for this (even if they say the supplier pays, the supplier will just add it onto the unit rate)
PM me if you want me to put you in touch with a member of my team,
Meeten-5dulx said:
I work for a large national utility and my team deal with business customers.
I can’t promise the cheapest prices, but happy for the team to quote you.
No commission added on as ultimately the consumer pays for this (even if they say the supplier pays, the supplier will just add it onto the unit rate)
PM me if you want me to put you in touch with a member of my team,
PM’d youI can’t promise the cheapest prices, but happy for the team to quote you.
No commission added on as ultimately the consumer pays for this (even if they say the supplier pays, the supplier will just add it onto the unit rate)
PM me if you want me to put you in touch with a member of my team,
My experience of Suppliers and Consultants massively vary.
Suppliers don’t tell you that they are happy to make significant margins where they can, many preferring to make a big deal about commissions added by Consultants. There are some Consultants that kick the backside out of it and make mega bucks - beware of those! There are others that act in a professional manner and the Suppliers don't like those as they drive margins down. I know as I have dealt with both!!
I was later involved in a Company that was very ethical and always delivered the best for our Customers. We didn’t stop at just the energy as there are many other constituents that can be looked at. We also carried out health checks throughout the contract as things can change.
Fixed or flex was always the question, in essence many Consultants preferring flex as it is more complicated and can be used as a tool for tie in with the Customer for lengthy periods.
After being in the game for longer than probably any Consultants or Suppliers on here, I am kind of out of the Business now but my Sons have continued. They have some monster Companies on their books and continue with the ethical standards that was instilled in them. Smaller one man bands are always difficult to satisfy so I wish you luck.
My advice is do your homework and understand all costs.
Suppliers don’t tell you that they are happy to make significant margins where they can, many preferring to make a big deal about commissions added by Consultants. There are some Consultants that kick the backside out of it and make mega bucks - beware of those! There are others that act in a professional manner and the Suppliers don't like those as they drive margins down. I know as I have dealt with both!!
I was later involved in a Company that was very ethical and always delivered the best for our Customers. We didn’t stop at just the energy as there are many other constituents that can be looked at. We also carried out health checks throughout the contract as things can change.
Fixed or flex was always the question, in essence many Consultants preferring flex as it is more complicated and can be used as a tool for tie in with the Customer for lengthy periods.
After being in the game for longer than probably any Consultants or Suppliers on here, I am kind of out of the Business now but my Sons have continued. They have some monster Companies on their books and continue with the ethical standards that was instilled in them. Smaller one man bands are always difficult to satisfy so I wish you luck.
My advice is do your homework and understand all costs.
AMTony said:
My experience of Suppliers and Consultants massively vary.
Suppliers don’t tell you that they are happy to make significant margins where they can, many preferring to make a big deal about commissions added by Consultants. There are some Consultants that kick the backside out of it and make mega bucks - beware of those! There are others that act in a professional manner and the Suppliers don't like those as they drive margins down. I know as I have dealt with both!!
I was later involved in a Company that was very ethical and always delivered the best for our Customers. We didn’t stop at just the energy as there are many other constituents that can be looked at. We also carried out health checks throughout the contract as things can change.
Fixed or flex was always the question, in essence many Consultants preferring flex as it is more complicated and can be used as a tool for tie in with the Customer for lengthy periods.
After being in the game for longer than probably any Consultants or Suppliers on here, I am kind of out of the Business now but my Sons have continued. They have some monster Companies on their books and continue with the ethical standards that was instilled in them. Smaller one man bands are always difficult to satisfy so I wish you luck.
My advice is do your homework and understand all costs.
Suppliers are not just looking at the supply of electricity / gas.Suppliers don’t tell you that they are happy to make significant margins where they can, many preferring to make a big deal about commissions added by Consultants. There are some Consultants that kick the backside out of it and make mega bucks - beware of those! There are others that act in a professional manner and the Suppliers don't like those as they drive margins down. I know as I have dealt with both!!
I was later involved in a Company that was very ethical and always delivered the best for our Customers. We didn’t stop at just the energy as there are many other constituents that can be looked at. We also carried out health checks throughout the contract as things can change.
Fixed or flex was always the question, in essence many Consultants preferring flex as it is more complicated and can be used as a tool for tie in with the Customer for lengthy periods.
After being in the game for longer than probably any Consultants or Suppliers on here, I am kind of out of the Business now but my Sons have continued. They have some monster Companies on their books and continue with the ethical standards that was instilled in them. Smaller one man bands are always difficult to satisfy so I wish you luck.
My advice is do your homework and understand all costs.
They are assisting companies in the route towards Net Zero - in both Scope 2 and Scope 3 GHG protocols.
A large part of this is energy efficiency - so they sell you something, and then work with you to use less of it.
What is a 'monster Company'? GWh / TWh?
Not advertising the company, but they have set about a new path, #wepowerchange
I deal with Flex customers, but not sure why you consider them to be tied in longer - I offer 12m Flexi contracts.
It is more complaicated than Fixed price, but it is a case of shifting risk to the customer, and therefore the margin is considerably lower.
Happy to talk to you / sons as this is the area that I am involved in for a good few years ....
Meeten-5dulx said:
Suppliers are not just looking at the supply of electricity / gas.
They are assisting companies in the route towards Net Zero - in both Scope 2 and Scope 3 GHG protocols.
A large part of this is energy efficiency - so they sell you something, and then work with you to use less of it.
What is a 'monster Company'? GWh / TWh?
Not advertising the company, but they have set about a new path, #wepowerchange
I deal with Flex customers, but not sure why you consider them to be tied in longer - I offer 12m Flexi contracts.
It is more complaicated than Fixed price, but it is a case of shifting risk to the customer, and therefore the margin is considerably lower.
Happy to talk to you / sons as this is the area that I am involved in for a good few years ....
Still waiting to hear from you?They are assisting companies in the route towards Net Zero - in both Scope 2 and Scope 3 GHG protocols.
A large part of this is energy efficiency - so they sell you something, and then work with you to use less of it.
What is a 'monster Company'? GWh / TWh?
Not advertising the company, but they have set about a new path, #wepowerchange
I deal with Flex customers, but not sure why you consider them to be tied in longer - I offer 12m Flexi contracts.
It is more complaicated than Fixed price, but it is a case of shifting risk to the customer, and therefore the margin is considerably lower.
Happy to talk to you / sons as this is the area that I am involved in for a good few years ....
With respect to your points, am not detailing sensitive information re Clients as not a Professional thing to do on a forum, suffice to say that they are extremely large multi site companies.
Regarding Suppliers additional help, aint owt for nowt as they say. Value adds are a targetable service to bring in additional revenue if I am not mistaken.
As for 12 month flex, never done one. We consider minimum of 3 years so as to gain maximum benefit, especially as you cannot secure any energy outside of the contractual term. That said, if prices were high then there may be a use but then again a very short duration fixed contract may be more effective? Very hard to call as its hypothetical and you need to be in the situation to be able to make the call at that time.
Have been in this game pre deregulation and long before the Energy Companies were privatised. Used to deal with the old bulk supply tariffs and what I called the old station gate tariffs where energy prices were listed daily and were priced under the old system marginal price mechanism. Don’t know if you were ever involved with those types of contracts? After deregulation there were many that used to like to talk the talk, volup and lolup were buzz words often miss-used in efforts to impress, rather like some of my new Engineers that used to bang on about PFC and the pint of Guinness haha. The good old days!
There may be opportunities for your Company, I assume its SSE, you may even know some of the guys I used to deal with before I kind of threw the towel in. Terry Tips was one guy, fairly high up and a very nice guy to work with.
I do look forward to you contacting me.
AMTony said:
I do look forward to you contacting me.
So, I did call - and I'm putting it out in public, this chap knows his onions.(He's also longer in the game than me, I reckon 'cos he's older than me......)
Not here to recommmend or knock down anyone, but AMTony seems on the side of the good chaps.
We'll put the world to rights over a pint some day.
Meeten-5dulx said:
AMTony said:
I do look forward to you contacting me.
So, I did call - and I'm putting it out in public, this chap knows his onions.(He's also longer in the game than me, I reckon 'cos he's older than me......)
Not here to recommmend or knock down anyone, but AMTony seems on the side of the good chaps.
We'll put the world to rights over a pint some day.
Feeling is very much mutual, we have always found SSE to be extremely ethical and Meeten, well I can say that you too are very knowledgeable so others should feel safe accepting your advice.
Advice for anyone is that nobody ever does anything for free. All these ‘free’ websites are making money from somewhere, all you have to do is discover where.
Whilst i may not be fully in the game anymore, my now adult children are very much in the game, along with other extremely knowledgeable people.
Happy to help if anyone needs it.
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