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For compilation of the technical file, thence declaration of conformity, you may wish to approach an international partner with presence in the UK, such as CSA, DNVGL, Intertek.
They will have expertise with obtaining certification not just in the UK/EU, but for potential global markets.
They will have expertise with obtaining certification not just in the UK/EU, but for potential global markets.
All products coming into the UK market need to be UKCA/CE certified. Currently both standards are the same, if its electrical you will need EMC and LVD, REACH, ROHS and a DOC. Easy to get from a factory that produces goods, they should already have it or the capability to get it done.
ToastMan76 said:
All products coming into the UK market need to be UKCA/CE certified. Currently both standards are the same, if its electrical you will need EMC and LVD, REACH, ROHS and a DOC. Easy to get from a factory that produces goods, they should already have it or the capability to get it done.
Factories build what you tell them, they are not responsible for bringing the product to market or the approvals required to do so. My advice is find a local CE test house and have a chat with one of their sales people about what your product is and they will tell you what testing is required, how long it will take and how much it will cost. I have used these guys https://www.dbtechnology.co.uk/ as they are relatively local to me but there are equivalents all over the UK.
BigBen said:
Factories build what you tell them, they are not responsible for bringing the product to market or the approvals required to do so.
My advice is find a local CE test house and have a chat with one of their sales people about what your product is and they will tell you what testing is required, how long it will take and how much it will cost. I have used these guys https://www.dbtechnology.co.uk/ as they are relatively local to me but there are equivalents all over the UK.
I never said they are? But from my 10+ years working with Far East factories, I know they all have access to test houses predominantly TUV, BV, ITS etc who all know their onions on CE/UKCA testing and a lot of bigger factories are self accredited through these test houses.My advice is find a local CE test house and have a chat with one of their sales people about what your product is and they will tell you what testing is required, how long it will take and how much it will cost. I have used these guys https://www.dbtechnology.co.uk/ as they are relatively local to me but there are equivalents all over the UK.
VEX said:
I need some advice on needing a product CE / UKCA certified.
Not even sure if it will need it.
Anyone got experience getting approval or involved in testing.
Think small, simple, personal electronics
Hi Vex,Not even sure if it will need it.
Anyone got experience getting approval or involved in testing.
Think small, simple, personal electronics
I think first of all check whether you will need it and then look into it. In my experience importing from the FE most factories already have certs and you can get the test report and the cert and check with the testing house if they are legitimate. Although you don't say the source of the goods or whether you are manufacturing yourself.
Either way hope that helps.
I would be a little wary of importing US products, primarily as US requirements do not have an equivalent to the CE/UKCA emc immunity requirements so could be an issue.
I would be looking at a consultant rather than talking to a lab like Intertek who will want to test everything (a lamb to the slaughter). Probably best to contact someone like the CE Marking Association for an initial chat, I personally would put an NDA in place before detailed discussions but YMMV.
CE/UKCA can be a depressing & expense minefield for those new to it.
I would be looking at a consultant rather than talking to a lab like Intertek who will want to test everything (a lamb to the slaughter). Probably best to contact someone like the CE Marking Association for an initial chat, I personally would put an NDA in place before detailed discussions but YMMV.
CE/UKCA can be a depressing & expense minefield for those new to it.
gottans said:
I would be a little wary of importing US products, primarily as US requirements do not have an equivalent to the CE/UKCA emc immunity requirements so could be an issue.
I would be looking at a consultant rather than talking to a lab like Intertek who will want to test everything (a lamb to the slaughter). Probably best to contact someone like the CE Marking Association for an initial chat, I personally would put an NDA in place before detailed discussions but YMMV.
CE/UKCA can be a depressing & expense minefield for those new to it.
Good adviceI would be looking at a consultant rather than talking to a lab like Intertek who will want to test everything (a lamb to the slaughter). Probably best to contact someone like the CE Marking Association for an initial chat, I personally would put an NDA in place before detailed discussions but YMMV.
CE/UKCA can be a depressing & expense minefield for those new to it.
gottans said:
I would be a little wary of importing US products, primarily as US requirements do not have an equivalent to the CE/UKCA emc immunity requirements so could be an issue.
I would be looking at a consultant rather than talking to a lab like Intertek who will want to test everything (a lamb to the slaughter). Probably best to contact someone like the CE Marking Association for an initial chat, I personally would put an NDA in place before detailed discussions but YMMV.
CE/UKCA can be a depressing & expense minefield for those new to it.
Thanks Gottans, I would be looking at a consultant rather than talking to a lab like Intertek who will want to test everything (a lamb to the slaughter). Probably best to contact someone like the CE Marking Association for an initial chat, I personally would put an NDA in place before detailed discussions but YMMV.
CE/UKCA can be a depressing & expense minefield for those new to it.
YMMV was a new one on me, but get it.
Will try to find a consultant to talk to and have a chat CE Association.
VEX said:
gottans said:
I would be a little wary of importing US products, primarily as US requirements do not have an equivalent to the CE/UKCA emc immunity requirements so could be an issue.
I would be looking at a consultant rather than talking to a lab like Intertek who will want to test everything (a lamb to the slaughter). Probably best to contact someone like the CE Marking Association for an initial chat, I personally would put an NDA in place before detailed discussions but YMMV.
CE/UKCA can be a depressing & expense minefield for those new to it.
Thanks Gottans, I would be looking at a consultant rather than talking to a lab like Intertek who will want to test everything (a lamb to the slaughter). Probably best to contact someone like the CE Marking Association for an initial chat, I personally would put an NDA in place before detailed discussions but YMMV.
CE/UKCA can be a depressing & expense minefield for those new to it.
YMMV was a new one on me, but get it.
Will try to find a consultant to talk to and have a chat CE Association.
It isn't any of the usual suspects.
Quite unique concept and new manufacturer.
PM me for a chat if you want.
Making inroads now, getting RoHS and WEEE sorted for new year launch and it looks like i do not need CE certification just GPSD self certification.
Quite unique concept and new manufacturer.
PM me for a chat if you want.
Making inroads now, getting RoHS and WEEE sorted for new year launch and it looks like i do not need CE certification just GPSD self certification.
Edited by VEX on Sunday 12th December 10:31
VEX said:
It isn't any of the usual suspects.
Quite unique concept and new manufacturer.
PM me for a chat if you want.
Making inroads now, getting RoHS and WEEE sorted for new year launch and it looks like i do not need CE certification just GPSD self certification.
VEX, bit of conflict going on here.Quite unique concept and new manufacturer.
PM me for a chat if you want.
Making inroads now, getting RoHS and WEEE sorted for new year launch and it looks like i do not need CE certification just GPSD self certification.
Edited by VEX on Sunday 12th December 10:31
To comply with RoHS you are required to apply the CE mark to the product/packaging, this brings in the full CE marking obligations i.e. Declaration of Conformity, product labelling, user manual, etc
The CE Mark also means that all 'relevant' Directives have been applied, at a guess I would say the GPSD applies as the product is below the voltage thresholds of the LVD so CE Mark not needed for this bit, not sure what exemption would cover the EMC Directive though?
None of the above means you have to test anything but really comes down to how comfortable you are with the risk of making declarations with limited data to back it up if anyone comes knocking. You do need to have documentation in place to support your declarations.
It wasn't clear if you are targetting both UK and EU markets but CE Marking in the UK is only valid until the end of 2022 i.e. we are in a transition period where the UKCA marking should really be applied instead of CE in the UK (a CE DoC is not the same as a UKCA DoC as there is different legislation applicable). For a fresh approval for the UK I would have gone straight to UKCA.
If you are going to sell into the EU, the Market Surveillance Directive will apply, basically means you will to contract with an EU based Representative as anyone just based in the UK no longer have a legal presence in the EU c/o Brexit.
Lastly WEEE, the UK has a small producer scheme you can sign up for if you place less than I think 5 tonnes per annum on the UK market for £35 a year. WEEE in the EU is per member state and they are all different. I am not aware of any EU member state proving an equivalent to the UK small producer scheme. Don't forget the WEEE marking on the product/packaging.
Depressed yet? 🤔
gottans said:
VEX, bit of conflict going on here.
To comply with RoHS you are required to apply the CE mark to the product/packaging, this brings in the full CE marking obligations i.e. Declaration of Conformity, product labelling, user manual, etc
The CE Mark also means that all 'relevant' Directives have been applied, at a guess I would say the GPSD applies as the product is below the voltage thresholds of the LVD so CE Mark not needed for this bit, not sure what exemption would cover the EMC Directive though?
None of the above means you have to test anything but really comes down to how comfortable you are with the risk of making declarations with limited data to back it up if anyone comes knocking. You do need to have documentation in place to support your declarations.
It wasn't clear if you are targetting both UK and EU markets but CE Marking in the UK is only valid until the end of 2022 i.e. we are in a transition period where the UKCA marking should really be applied instead of CE in the UK (a CE DoC is not the same as a UKCA DoC as there is different legislation applicable). For a fresh approval for the UK I would have gone straight to UKCA.
If you are going to sell into the EU, the Market Surveillance Directive will apply, basically means you will to contract with an EU based Representative as anyone just based in the UK no longer have a legal presence in the EU c/o Brexit.
Lastly WEEE, the UK has a small producer scheme you can sign up for if you place less than I think 5 tonnes per annum on the UK market for £35 a year. WEEE in the EU is per member state and they are all different. I am not aware of any EU member state proving an equivalent to the UK small producer scheme. Don't forget the WEEE marking on the product/packaging.
Depressed yet? ??
It's enough to put me off one of my possible new ventures! To comply with RoHS you are required to apply the CE mark to the product/packaging, this brings in the full CE marking obligations i.e. Declaration of Conformity, product labelling, user manual, etc
The CE Mark also means that all 'relevant' Directives have been applied, at a guess I would say the GPSD applies as the product is below the voltage thresholds of the LVD so CE Mark not needed for this bit, not sure what exemption would cover the EMC Directive though?
None of the above means you have to test anything but really comes down to how comfortable you are with the risk of making declarations with limited data to back it up if anyone comes knocking. You do need to have documentation in place to support your declarations.
It wasn't clear if you are targetting both UK and EU markets but CE Marking in the UK is only valid until the end of 2022 i.e. we are in a transition period where the UKCA marking should really be applied instead of CE in the UK (a CE DoC is not the same as a UKCA DoC as there is different legislation applicable). For a fresh approval for the UK I would have gone straight to UKCA.
If you are going to sell into the EU, the Market Surveillance Directive will apply, basically means you will to contract with an EU based Representative as anyone just based in the UK no longer have a legal presence in the EU c/o Brexit.
Lastly WEEE, the UK has a small producer scheme you can sign up for if you place less than I think 5 tonnes per annum on the UK market for £35 a year. WEEE in the EU is per member state and they are all different. I am not aware of any EU member state proving an equivalent to the UK small producer scheme. Don't forget the WEEE marking on the product/packaging.
Depressed yet? ??
gottans said:
VEX, bit of conflict going on here.
To comply with RoHS you are required to apply the CE mark to the product/packaging, this brings in the full CE marking obligations i.e. Declaration of Conformity, product labelling, user manual, etc
The CE Mark also means that all 'relevant' Directives have been applied, at a guess I would say the GPSD applies as the product is below the voltage thresholds of the LVD so CE Mark not needed for this bit, not sure what exemption would cover the EMC Directive though?
None of the above means you have to test anything but really comes down to how comfortable you are with the risk of making declarations with limited data to back it up if anyone comes knocking. You do need to have documentation in place to support your declarations.
It wasn't clear if you are targetting both UK and EU markets but CE Marking in the UK is only valid until the end of 2022 i.e. we are in a transition period where the UKCA marking should really be applied instead of CE in the UK (a CE DoC is not the same as a UKCA DoC as there is different legislation applicable). For a fresh approval for the UK I would have gone straight to UKCA.
If you are going to sell into the EU, the Market Surveillance Directive will apply, basically means you will to contract with an EU based Representative as anyone just based in the UK no longer have a legal presence in the EU c/o Brexit.
Lastly WEEE, the UK has a small producer scheme you can sign up for if you place less than I think 5 tonnes per annum on the UK market for £35 a year. WEEE in the EU is per member state and they are all different. I am not aware of any EU member state proving an equivalent to the UK small producer scheme. Don't forget the WEEE marking on the product/packaging.
Depressed yet? ??
Thanks Gottans. To comply with RoHS you are required to apply the CE mark to the product/packaging, this brings in the full CE marking obligations i.e. Declaration of Conformity, product labelling, user manual, etc
The CE Mark also means that all 'relevant' Directives have been applied, at a guess I would say the GPSD applies as the product is below the voltage thresholds of the LVD so CE Mark not needed for this bit, not sure what exemption would cover the EMC Directive though?
None of the above means you have to test anything but really comes down to how comfortable you are with the risk of making declarations with limited data to back it up if anyone comes knocking. You do need to have documentation in place to support your declarations.
It wasn't clear if you are targetting both UK and EU markets but CE Marking in the UK is only valid until the end of 2022 i.e. we are in a transition period where the UKCA marking should really be applied instead of CE in the UK (a CE DoC is not the same as a UKCA DoC as there is different legislation applicable). For a fresh approval for the UK I would have gone straight to UKCA.
If you are going to sell into the EU, the Market Surveillance Directive will apply, basically means you will to contract with an EU based Representative as anyone just based in the UK no longer have a legal presence in the EU c/o Brexit.
Lastly WEEE, the UK has a small producer scheme you can sign up for if you place less than I think 5 tonnes per annum on the UK market for £35 a year. WEEE in the EU is per member state and they are all different. I am not aware of any EU member state proving an equivalent to the UK small producer scheme. Don't forget the WEEE marking on the product/packaging.
Depressed yet? ??
That all makes sense and while it would be great to be able to supply into Europe, at the moment I am just going to focus on the UK, specifically because of the need to find an EU agent. Although I would probably go to a friend in Ireland to do it to prevent a language barrier.
RoHS, I believe we can just put an RoHS logo and DoC statement in with the carton, or a label on the carton, as we can with WEEE. I will also re-work our email invoices with a link to our WEEE statement. I found the same as you, I can register for around £35 and run my own scheme as I only have to receive like for like product. Then apply for a waste carriers licence (which is free for carrying your own WEEE!) and deliver it to a local AATF Processor.
The challenge comes with the statement in the UKCA wording that any UKCA branding must be applied to the product! It physically cant be, the product is to small.
Have a call out with a consultant this week to try to bottom out the CE/UKCA requirement, but being a microphone I am confident we don't need anything or would pass EMC with flying colours. Power is certainly ELV (so sub 50V AC and 75V DC) the personal headphones are 5v USB and the Pro's are 48v 'Phantom Power'
Interestingly I have just dug out my Rode VideoMic and checked the manual, it does have a CE mark and claims to confirm to Directive 2014/30/EN - which is the EMC directive and I am 99.9% sure the products will pass those.
Many thanks and please feel free to pick me up on stuff. If I get to understand this all now, then it works in my favour going forwards.
Chris.
Edited by VEX on Sunday 12th December 17:59
VEX said:
Thanks Gottans.
That all makes sense and while it would be great to be able to supply into Europe, at the moment I am just going to focus on the UK, specifically because of the need to find an EU agent. Although I would probably go to a friend in Ireland to do it to prevent a language barrier.
RoHS, I believe we can just put an RoHS logo and DoC statement in with the carton, or a label on the carton, as we can with WEEE. I will also re-work our email invoices with a link to our WEEE statement. I found the same as you, I can register for around £35 and run my own scheme as I only have to receive like for like product. Then apply for a waste carriers licence (which is free for carrying your own WEEE!) and deliver it to a local AATF Processor.
The challenge comes with the statement in the UKCA wording that any UKCA branding must be applied to the product! It physically cant be, the product is to small.
Have a call out with a consultant this week to try to bottom out the CE/UKCA requirement, but being a microphone I am confident we don't need anything or would pass EMC with flying colours. Power is certainly ELV (so sub 50V AC and 75V DC) the personal headphones are 5v USB and the Pro's are 48v 'Phantom Power'
Interestingly I have just dug out my Rode VideoMic and checked the manual, it does have a CE mark and claims to confirm to Directive 2014/30/EN - off to look that up.
Many thanks and please feel free to pick me up on stuff. If I get to understand this all now, then it works in my favour going forwards.
Chris.
2014/30/EU is the EMC Directive, which is missing from the earlier post. The RoHS directive requires the CE mark on the product/packaging so is the same as UKCA, this is because it is a CE Marking directive where as the GPSD is not.That all makes sense and while it would be great to be able to supply into Europe, at the moment I am just going to focus on the UK, specifically because of the need to find an EU agent. Although I would probably go to a friend in Ireland to do it to prevent a language barrier.
RoHS, I believe we can just put an RoHS logo and DoC statement in with the carton, or a label on the carton, as we can with WEEE. I will also re-work our email invoices with a link to our WEEE statement. I found the same as you, I can register for around £35 and run my own scheme as I only have to receive like for like product. Then apply for a waste carriers licence (which is free for carrying your own WEEE!) and deliver it to a local AATF Processor.
The challenge comes with the statement in the UKCA wording that any UKCA branding must be applied to the product! It physically cant be, the product is to small.
Have a call out with a consultant this week to try to bottom out the CE/UKCA requirement, but being a microphone I am confident we don't need anything or would pass EMC with flying colours. Power is certainly ELV (so sub 50V AC and 75V DC) the personal headphones are 5v USB and the Pro's are 48v 'Phantom Power'
Interestingly I have just dug out my Rode VideoMic and checked the manual, it does have a CE mark and claims to confirm to Directive 2014/30/EN - off to look that up.
Many thanks and please feel free to pick me up on stuff. If I get to understand this all now, then it works in my favour going forwards.
Chris.
Regarding actually applying the marking, it has to be at least 5mm high but there is usually an allowance for physically small products where it is a problem, it can be put on the instructions.
I would google the EU Blue Guide as this should provide some guidance (search for marking as it is IIRC 300+ pages).
As microphones are very sensitive, I would not be at all surprised if there were EMC problems, if you can set one up, call your mobile and then wave your mobile near the mic and see what happens. A very rough and ready check but if there are problems then your customers may experience the same thing as mobiles are everywhere.
WRT to the mic you mentioned, what you really want to look at is the DoC as this will show what directives/standards they have applied.
I really am giving it all away but at least it isn't a radio product!
Just to add, as you are targetting the UK market you really shouldn't use CE Marking, it will only be valid for a little over a year and then any new product sold with the CE Mark will be illegal and you will have to redo it all whilst being unable to ship any of them.
The UK.gov has extended the dealine once already which pissed me off having bust my nuts getting it all place so I doubt they will extend further.
Lastly, when it comes to enforcement, most of the problems they pick up are administrative mistakes so worth checking everything is correct.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 12th December 18:27
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