Ltd co's accounts
Author
Discussion

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

70 months

Thursday 13th October 2022
quotequote all
What am I missing here? This doesn't look too rosy?

Cash
£6k
(down) 74.%

Net Worth
£-51k
(down) 520.%

Total Current Assets
£21k
(down) 74.%

Total Current Liabilities
£52k
(up) 13.%

Or is it all about limiting tax liabilities?

Eric Mc

124,034 posts

281 months

Thursday 13th October 2022
quotequote all
Is the overall balance sheet positive or negative?

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

70 months

Thursday 13th October 2022
quotequote all

LordHaveMurci

12,250 posts

185 months

Thursday 13th October 2022
quotequote all
What did the previous year look like?

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

70 months

Thursday 13th October 2022
quotequote all
LordHaveMurci said:
What did the previous year look like?
2020 :-

Cash
£25k

Net Worth
£12k

Total Current Assets
£83k

Total Current Liabilities
£46k

Countdown

44,932 posts

212 months

Thursday 13th October 2022
quotequote all
is it any more complicated than a £62k loss during the year?

Eric Mc

124,034 posts

281 months

Thursday 13th October 2022
quotequote all
The balance sheet is most definitely negative. The question has to be, why did the accumulated reserves of the company go from £12,140 positive in 2020 to negative £ 51,442 in 2021. That (as has been pointed out by Countdown) indicates the company managed to make a Net Loss for 2021 of £63,582 in one year.

I would be very keen to know the reason why this happened and what are the prospects for this (now insolvent) company going forward.

RM

659 posts

113 months

Thursday 13th October 2022
quotequote all
Eric Mc said:
The balance sheet is most definitely negative. The question has to be, why did the accumulated reserves of the company go from £12,140 positive in 2020 to negative £ 51,442 in 2021. That (as has been pointed out by Countdown) indicates the company managed to make a Net Loss for 2021 of £63,582 in one year.

I would be very keen to know the reason why this happened and what are the prospects for this (now insolvent) company going forward.
Is there ever a situation where a company with a negative balance sheet is not insolvent (at the time of the end of that financial year, I realise a cash injection the next day could remedy this)? I have seen a number of small companies where the balance sheet becomes increasingly negative year after year.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

70 months

Thursday 13th October 2022
quotequote all
Eric Mc said:
I would be very keen to know the reason why this happened and what are the prospects for this (now insolvent) company going forward.
That was my point wink

And yet they continue to trade (at present) with prices that are impossible! (as in selling items for less than they can be purchased for!).

Countdown

44,932 posts

212 months

Thursday 13th October 2022
quotequote all
_-XXXX-_ said:
That was my point wink

And yet they continue to trade (at present) with prices that are impossible! (as in selling items for less than they can be purchased for!).
They can continue to trade for ever and ever as long as they can keep paying their bills on time. if they don't then creditors will normally ask for the company to be wound up. However as long as they have sufficient cash then theoretically they can continue to trade ad infinitum.

Obviously in the real world if you're continually loss making and you don't inject any fresh capital then at some point you go bankrupt. I have seen balance sheets which have negative balance sheets to the tune of several million but theyve been part of Group companies and constantly being bailed out by the parent or other group members.

Panamax

6,606 posts

50 months

Thursday 13th October 2022
quotequote all
Countdown said:
They can continue to trade for ever and ever as long as they can keep paying their bills on time. if they don't then creditors will normally ask for the company to be wound up. However as long as they have sufficient cash then theoretically they can continue to trade ad infinitum.
Yes, companies usually go bust on "cash flow" rather than anything else. i.e. unable to pay their debts as they fall due.

There's also the question of the balance sheet. A negative balance sheet can also be used to require a company to be wound up. However, the directors may be able to counter that by showing, for instance, that it's just a timing issue.

Aside from insolvency rules the directors have to watch out for "wrongful trading". Those rules potentially impose personal liability on directors if they go on trading when there's no reasonable hope of turning a profit. They can also be disqualified from being directors of any company in future.

Would I trade with this company? Not without eyes wide open and maximum protection. Don't deliver anything that hasn't been paid for in advance and don't get them to do any work where you might need to go back to them for rectification/warranty/liability afterwards.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

70 months

Thursday 13th October 2022
quotequote all
Thanks everyone, useful info as ever smile