Putting children on the payroll
Discussion
Does anyone have any experience of employing their children? I would like to pay my two children a modest wage in return for them carrying out some simple tasks, say £25.00 each per week for a bit of sweeping up etc. Can I get a NI number for each of them and will the tax man accept it? The problem I may have is that they are only 6 & 8 years old, but is there a lower age limit for paid work? In terms of useful, productive work, I don't think they can be any more useless than the young lad I paid last week. They would have to do something for their money, but not much (so their hourly rate will be pretty good!). Any informed advice would be gratefully received.
percy flage said:
£25 per week at 6 years old?
FFS.
FFS.
Saves me giving him pocket money out of my highly taxed income, reduces company profits and hence corporation tax, no tax or ni to pay if under £100 ish per week and keeps my floor clean! Win win from my point of view....
Anyway, I am not interested in the ethics or practicality, just is it acceptable to Gordon's men?
PetrolTed said:
Isn't it illegal to employ anyone under the age of 12?
I know that a friend's young child (about 6) gets paid for modelling clothes and stuff, but don't know how the income is treated. Child actors must get paid, but is it employment? Somebody will be along with the definitive answer soon i am sure.
Stephanie Plum said:
I think Teds right. What about your parents instead?
My parents allowances are all used up with pensions and other income. Anyway, I would like the children to 'earn' a bit of money for themselves rather than just emptying my pockets every evening.
Edited by david_s on Thursday 14th September 22:51
I think they are just too young to be legally employed.
However, once a child eaches the legal age for working, they can be employed. Depending on their overall wage levels and income from other sources (if any), they may need to have PAYE deducted from their wages. They will not need to pay any NI until they reach 16 years of age.
People doing jobbing acting and modelling work are usually treated as freelance and are therefore self-employed.
However, once a child eaches the legal age for working, they can be employed. Depending on their overall wage levels and income from other sources (if any), they may need to have PAYE deducted from their wages. They will not need to pay any NI until they reach 16 years of age.
People doing jobbing acting and modelling work are usually treated as freelance and are therefore self-employed.
Eric Mc said:
I think they are just too young to be legally employed.
However, once a child eaches the legal age for working, they can be employed. Depending on their overall wage levels and income from other sources (if any), they may need to have PAYE deducted from their wages. They will not need to pay any NI until they reach 16 years of age.
People doing jobbing acting and modelling work are usually treated as freelance and are therefore self-employed.
However, once a child eaches the legal age for working, they can be employed. Depending on their overall wage levels and income from other sources (if any), they may need to have PAYE deducted from their wages. They will not need to pay any NI until they reach 16 years of age.
People doing jobbing acting and modelling work are usually treated as freelance and are therefore self-employed.
Thanks for the answer, it looks like I won't get away with it.
david_s said:
Eric Mc said:
I think they are just too young to be legally employed.
However, once a child eaches the legal age for working, they can be employed. Depending on their overall wage levels and income from other sources (if any), they may need to have PAYE deducted from their wages. They will not need to pay any NI until they reach 16 years of age.
People doing jobbing acting and modelling work are usually treated as freelance and are therefore self-employed.
However, once a child eaches the legal age for working, they can be employed. Depending on their overall wage levels and income from other sources (if any), they may need to have PAYE deducted from their wages. They will not need to pay any NI until they reach 16 years of age.
People doing jobbing acting and modelling work are usually treated as freelance and are therefore self-employed.
Thanks for the answer, it looks like I won't get away with it.
Bum. I liked your thinking.can they be selfemployed cleaners ie KidsRus and have a bank account Trading as and you write a cheque to the cleaners?
I would be tempted to just do it, and worry about it later. Small amount going out for cleaners will not abt an eye lid with the accountants. They are unter the Tax threashold so no tax worries.
If you cant, then blame the kids and make them pay it all back or be grounded for 40 years...
You will be surprised at how much work 2yr old twins can do in an iron ore plant, and blimey the unions insist on double danger money as well...... kids eh. bloody expensive labour.
I would be tempted to just do it, and worry about it later. Small amount going out for cleaners will not abt an eye lid with the accountants. They are unter the Tax threashold so no tax worries.
If you cant, then blame the kids and make them pay it all back or be grounded for 40 years...
Edited by superlightr on Friday 15th September 15:32
You will be surprised at how much work 2yr old twins can do in an iron ore plant, and blimey the unions insist on double danger money as well...... kids eh. bloody expensive labour.
Edited by superlightr on Friday 15th September 15:34
superlightr said:
can they be selfemployed cleaners ie KidsRus and have a bank account Trading as and you write a cheque to the cleaners?
I would be tempted to just do it, and worry about it later. Small amount going out for cleaners will not abt an eye lid with the accountants. They are unter the Tax threashold so no tax worries.
If you cant, then blame the kids and make them pay it all back or be grounded for 40 years...
You will be surprised at how much work 2yr old twins can do in an iron ore plant, and blimey the unions insist on double danger money as well...... kids eh. bloody expensive labour.
I would be tempted to just do it, and worry about it later. Small amount going out for cleaners will not abt an eye lid with the accountants. They are unter the Tax threashold so no tax worries.
If you cant, then blame the kids and make them pay it all back or be grounded for 40 years...
Edited by superlightr on Friday 15th September 15:32
You will be surprised at how much work 2yr old twins can do in an iron ore plant, and blimey the unions insist on double danger money as well...... kids eh. bloody expensive labour.
Edited by superlightr on Friday 15th September 15:34
Just doing it and worrying about it later is what I usually do, having had a VAT inspection yesterday (which was MUCH better than expected) I am feeling a bit more cautious.
I like the idea of them being self employed, they can give me an invoice which I can pay and if it all goes wrong the taxman can chase them for the money! Or better still send, the little so and so's to prison.
Not a goer, I'm afraid.
If they are self employed they would:
a) have to notify the Revenue within three months of start up
b) complete and sign a Self Assessment tax return
c) prove that they are genuinely self-employed i.e fulfill all the usual requirements (use their own tools and equipment, control the nature of the work they do, indemnify themselves from financial risk, show they have multiple customers, have a dedicated place of business - there are more of these |"badges of trade" tests by the way.
If they are self employed they would:
a) have to notify the Revenue within three months of start up
b) complete and sign a Self Assessment tax return
c) prove that they are genuinely self-employed i.e fulfill all the usual requirements (use their own tools and equipment, control the nature of the work they do, indemnify themselves from financial risk, show they have multiple customers, have a dedicated place of business - there are more of these |"badges of trade" tests by the way.
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