Advice on buying a business and freehold?
Advice on buying a business and freehold?
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simon67

Original Poster:

346 posts

281 months

Saturday 25th November 2006
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Hi

We are looking at buying a well established retail business. No problems here- strong track record & well priced. We can raise funds by re-mortgaging our home. We can also buy the freehold for the shop. Price circa 250k. Would it be fairly straightforward to get a commercial mortgage on this ? Could the mortgage be based on the income from the business (many years of accounts available)?

Any help much appreciated

Cheers

Simon

ScottNicol

186 posts

235 months

Saturday 25th November 2006
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i would imagine it would be pretty straight forward to go about that buddy

pugwash4x4

7,653 posts

244 months

Saturday 25th November 2006
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mortgage is highly unlikely to be based on the incopme of the shop- i know it can be done but in 8 years of buying retail shops and freeholds i have never managed to get a bank to accept a valuation of the business. The value which the bank takes will be bricks and mortar and you will have to put 25% down for the commercial mortgage.

Think very carefully how you set up the business. I would very very strongly suggest you talk to an accountant about setting up a ltd Co to run the business which holds a 999yr lease from you as the landlord- the Ltd Co can raise a mortgage on this which means you retain the underlying asset. If heaven forbid the business should fail it won't take you, or the asset with it, and you have rights to re-possess. whatever you do do NOT put yourself in the situation where the business going bust, and therefore you going bankrupt, will cause you to lose your house and the freehold on the business.

M400 NBL

3,543 posts

235 months

Saturday 25th November 2006
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pugwash4x4 said:
mortgage is highly unlikely to be based on the incopme of the shop- i know it can be done but in 8 years of buying retail shops and freeholds i have never managed to get a bank to accept a valuation of the business. The value which the bank takes will be bricks and mortar and you will have to put 25% down for the commercial mortgage.

Think very carefully how you set up the business. I would very very strongly suggest you talk to an accountant about setting up a ltd Co to run the business which holds a 999yr lease from you as the landlord- the Ltd Co can raise a mortgage on this which means you retain the underlying asset. If heaven forbid the business should fail it won't take you, or the asset with it, and you have rights to re-possess. whatever you do do NOT put yourself in the situation where the business going bust, and therefore you going bankrupt, will cause you to lose your house and the freehold on the business.

I'd second that. Set up a limited company yes

It should be straight forward getting a mortgage, particularly now that lenders are falling over themselves
to lend money.

simon67

Original Poster:

346 posts

281 months

Saturday 25th November 2006
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Thanks guys

Guess I need to speak to a broker next week - any recommendations?

Cheers

Simon

Jasper Gilder

2,166 posts

296 months

Monday 27th November 2006
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Juat a thought - If you set up a SIP ( Self Invested Pension) that can own th eshop, and payments become pension contributions. You have to pay rest - of course - but it's going into your own pension fund and when you sell the freehold at a profit in a few years time, the profit goes into the fund too. Talk to an accountant who really understands pensions legislation!

smirnoff

611 posts

273 months

Tuesday 28th November 2006
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Does the shop have any accommodation above it?

Wacky Racer

40,675 posts

270 months

Tuesday 28th November 2006
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I was renting my business property in 1987 paying around £20 pw rent at that time......

Had the option to buy for £18,500,(it was undervalued) so did so taking out £16,000 mortgage...

Paid that off in four and a half years...

Property now worth well in excess of £400,000 due to town centre re-development in the area.....

If still having to pay rent now would have to stump up around £1500 pm at least....

So, in my case, buying freehold has been a very good investment, but obviously all circumstances vary......scratchchin

pugwash4x4

7,653 posts

244 months

Tuesday 28th November 2006
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Simon,

i konw of a very very very good broker, he isn't the cheapest but he is the best value i have ever found. I think he only works in the south though which is annoying. If you are down this nexk of the woods then let me know and i will email you his details.

cheers

Jim