Help finding owners of derelict house?
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Just checked the registry and owned by: BRYANT HOMES CENTRAL LIMITED and DAVID The above was a joke...but after reading the title deeds more closely, it seems they bought the land back in 1993! So why haven't they developed it yet?
I remember reading a thread a little while ago about restriction lines for towns etc and as this plot of land is possibly on the borderline could this be a reason why? As I expect these developers would have wanted to develop a whole new estate of houses etc possibly contravening the green belt rules also?
Guess the only way is to find out for myself...any suggestions or opinions appreciated though.
I remember reading a thread a little while ago about restriction lines for towns etc and as this plot of land is possibly on the borderline could this be a reason why? As I expect these developers would have wanted to develop a whole new estate of houses etc possibly contravening the green belt rules also?
Guess the only way is to find out for myself...any suggestions or opinions appreciated though.
Exactly right. The reason that so many people who are well funded go into property is that it is a near rock solid long term investment. They will probably have bought it for a Land Bank long before it had any prospect of getting planning and can afford to let it sit there until they feel the need to develop or decide the time is right. There are not a lot of 'derelict properties' lying around these days that noone has thought of developing. There are a lot of big residential developers who need to buy decades ahead to preserve their business.
Yep I can only agree with what's been said.
What is interesting is that it is two separate developers that own the propery, usually developers only work together to develop big estates where it is bigger than one would want to fund on its own.
I'd imagine that this property gives access to a big chunk of land which they are hoping will become developable at some stage?
It's worth checking out what they might have been targetting - perhaps the land has already been developed by someone else and these properties are now not relevant to a development? Perhaps they were needed for access but that access has been developed elsewhere?
Check that out and then talk to them if you think they are surplus to requirements...
What is interesting is that it is two separate developers that own the propery, usually developers only work together to develop big estates where it is bigger than one would want to fund on its own.
I'd imagine that this property gives access to a big chunk of land which they are hoping will become developable at some stage?
It's worth checking out what they might have been targetting - perhaps the land has already been developed by someone else and these properties are now not relevant to a development? Perhaps they were needed for access but that access has been developed elsewhere?
Check that out and then talk to them if you think they are surplus to requirements...
Piglet said:
Yep I can only agree with what's been said.
What is interesting is that it is two separate developers that own the propery, usually developers only work together to develop big estates where it is bigger than one would want to fund on its own.
I'd imagine that this property gives access to a big chunk of land which they are hoping will become developable at some stage?
It's worth checking out what they might have been targetting - perhaps the land has already been developed by someone else and these properties are now not relevant to a development? Perhaps they were needed for access but that access has been developed elsewhere?
Check that out and then talk to them if you think they are surplus to requirements...
What is interesting is that it is two separate developers that own the propery, usually developers only work together to develop big estates where it is bigger than one would want to fund on its own.
I'd imagine that this property gives access to a big chunk of land which they are hoping will become developable at some stage?
It's worth checking out what they might have been targetting - perhaps the land has already been developed by someone else and these properties are now not relevant to a development? Perhaps they were needed for access but that access has been developed elsewhere?
Check that out and then talk to them if you think they are surplus to requirements...
Hi guys,
Thanks for the replies, it seems quite bleak then. The property isn't a huge amount of land, its just a farmhouse and associated buildings which I think adds up to less than 1 acre. There isn't any development anywhere near the property, only 2 houses about 100m down the road (its a country B road). All around it is fields!
So do you think I might have a chance with this then? Only interested as its a nice plot which will 'hopefully' let me build a nice house how I'd like it.
I've just had another look and it seems there's 2 separate plots next to each other, the first is as above, the other is owned by another developer and is substantially larger! i.e. a couple of the buildings are in the second plot along with the rest of the farmland!
So what is happening here? Are the developers trying to block each other, waiting for one to sell to the other? Is this normal?
So what is happening here? Are the developers trying to block each other, waiting for one to sell to the other? Is this normal?
The clue is probably in the "all around it is fields!" 
Which is the other developer? Lots of them trade as more than one company from the same parent company.
It's difficult to say without seeing the layout but I'd imagine that these properties open up all of the fields and the developers hoped it may become permitted development at some point?
How far is it outside of the town/village?
Locate your local development plan or structure plan (either through your local authority or possibly your local library) and find out what the land is earmarked for now. The plan will show all land in your area and whether it is designated green belt, industrial land, housebuilding land etc etc.
It's not all bad news, developers really are sticking fingers in the air with their landbanks, it may be that significant development has happened in another part of town and that this have been very clearly reclassified as green belt.
Check out your local authority plan and do some research.
Which is the other developer? Lots of them trade as more than one company from the same parent company.
It's difficult to say without seeing the layout but I'd imagine that these properties open up all of the fields and the developers hoped it may become permitted development at some point?
How far is it outside of the town/village?
Locate your local development plan or structure plan (either through your local authority or possibly your local library) and find out what the land is earmarked for now. The plan will show all land in your area and whether it is designated green belt, industrial land, housebuilding land etc etc.
It's not all bad news, developers really are sticking fingers in the air with their landbanks, it may be that significant development has happened in another part of town and that this have been very clearly reclassified as green belt.
Check out your local authority plan and do some research.
Piglet said:
The clue is probably in the "all around it is fields!"
Sorry this went totally over my head, is that a good/bad sign?
Piglet said:
Which is the other developer? Lots of them trade as more than one company from the same parent company.
It's difficult to say without seeing the layout but I'd imagine that these properties open up all of the fields and the developers hoped it may become permitted development at some point?
How far is it outside of the town/village?
Locate your local development plan or structure plan (either through your local authority or possibly your local library) and find out what the land is earmarked for now. The plan will show all land in your area and whether it is designated green belt, industrial land, housebuilding land etc etc.
It's not all bad news, developers really are sticking fingers in the air with their landbanks, it may be that significant development has happened in another part of town and that this have been very clearly reclassified as green belt.
Check out your local authority plan and do some research.
It's difficult to say without seeing the layout but I'd imagine that these properties open up all of the fields and the developers hoped it may become permitted development at some point?
How far is it outside of the town/village?
Locate your local development plan or structure plan (either through your local authority or possibly your local library) and find out what the land is earmarked for now. The plan will show all land in your area and whether it is designated green belt, industrial land, housebuilding land etc etc.
It's not all bad news, developers really are sticking fingers in the air with their landbanks, it may be that significant development has happened in another part of town and that this have been very clearly reclassified as green belt.
Check out your local authority plan and do some research.
Other developer is William Davis Ltd, I can't find any obvious link between them?
Its less than 1 mile out the town. Will it cost me to get this local development plan? And should it be reasonably easy to get hold of?
Seany88 said:
Piglet said:
The clue is probably in the "all around it is fields!"
Sorry this went totally over my head, is that a good/bad sign?
Lots of nice open fields to potentially build a nice big estate on!
Seany88 said:
Piglet said:
Which is the other developer? Lots of them trade as more than one company from the same parent company.
It's difficult to say without seeing the layout but I'd imagine that these properties open up all of the fields and the developers hoped it may become permitted development at some point?
How far is it outside of the town/village?
Locate your local development plan or structure plan (either through your local authority or possibly your local library) and find out what the land is earmarked for now. The plan will show all land in your area and whether it is designated green belt, industrial land, housebuilding land etc etc.
It's not all bad news, developers really are sticking fingers in the air with their landbanks, it may be that significant development has happened in another part of town and that this have been very clearly reclassified as green belt.
Check out your local authority plan and do some research.
It's difficult to say without seeing the layout but I'd imagine that these properties open up all of the fields and the developers hoped it may become permitted development at some point?
How far is it outside of the town/village?
Locate your local development plan or structure plan (either through your local authority or possibly your local library) and find out what the land is earmarked for now. The plan will show all land in your area and whether it is designated green belt, industrial land, housebuilding land etc etc.
It's not all bad news, developers really are sticking fingers in the air with their landbanks, it may be that significant development has happened in another part of town and that this have been very clearly reclassified as green belt.
Check out your local authority plan and do some research.
Other developer is William Davis Ltd, I can't find any obvious link between them?
Its less than 1 mile out the town. Will it cost me to get this local development plan? And should it be reasonably easy to get hold of?
Less than a mile out of town would indicate to me that they thought it was potentially likely to become developable (that may of course be bollox - it's difficult to say without knowing the area)
You'll probably only be able to view the local plan - contact your local plannig office, they should have it for you to look at and might be able to tell you where else you can see it.
It's worth looking up William Davis Ltd on Companieshouse.co.uk, do webcheck and look at the company history. Co' House website isn't operational on a Sunday night so I can't do it now. It might tell you if it's linked to either of the others.
As a rule of thumb developers only share profit on big developments where the risk is too big for one of them to take on themselves.
Edited by Piglet on Sunday 17th December 19:46
Edited by Piglet on Sunday 17th December 19:47
Piglet said:
Seany88 said:
Piglet said:
The clue is probably in the "all around it is fields!"
Sorry this went totally over my head, is that a good/bad sign?
Lots of nice open fields to potentially build a nice big estate on!
Right, quite obvious actually!
Piglet said:
Seany88 said:
Piglet said:
Which is the other developer? Lots of them trade as more than one company from the same parent company.
It's difficult to say without seeing the layout but I'd imagine that these properties open up all of the fields and the developers hoped it may become permitted development at some point?
How far is it outside of the town/village?
Locate your local development plan or structure plan (either through your local authority or possibly your local library) and find out what the land is earmarked for now. The plan will show all land in your area and whether it is designated green belt, industrial land, housebuilding land etc etc.
It's not all bad news, developers really are sticking fingers in the air with their landbanks, it may be that significant development has happened in another part of town and that this have been very clearly reclassified as green belt.
Check out your local authority plan and do some research.
It's difficult to say without seeing the layout but I'd imagine that these properties open up all of the fields and the developers hoped it may become permitted development at some point?
How far is it outside of the town/village?
Locate your local development plan or structure plan (either through your local authority or possibly your local library) and find out what the land is earmarked for now. The plan will show all land in your area and whether it is designated green belt, industrial land, housebuilding land etc etc.
It's not all bad news, developers really are sticking fingers in the air with their landbanks, it may be that significant development has happened in another part of town and that this have been very clearly reclassified as green belt.
Check out your local authority plan and do some research.
Other developer is William Davis Ltd, I can't find any obvious link between them?
Its less than 1 mile out the town. Will it cost me to get this local development plan? And should it be reasonably easy to get hold of?
Less than a mile out of town would indicate to me that they thought it was potentially likely to become developable (that may of course be bollox - it's difficult to say without knowing the area)
You'll probably only be able to view the local plan - contact your local plannig office, they should have it for you to look at and might be able to tell you where else you can see it.
It's worth looking up William Davis Ltd on Companieshouse.co.uk, do webcheck and look at the company history. Co' House website isn't operational on a Sunday night so I can't do it now. It might tell you if it's linked to either of the others.
As a rule of thumb developers only share profit on big developments where the risk is too big for one of them to take on themselves.
Edited by Piglet on Sunday 17th December 19:46
Edited by Piglet on Sunday 17th December 19:47
Thanks for the info, i'll try and take a peek then, is it worth contacting the companies tomorrow to ask what they're planning on doing or should I make sure i have all the facts first before diving in?
your best to contact them directly and ask them what they are doing with the land / property. David Wilson and Bryant Homes are 2 very big national developers who will happily dispose of small pieces of land they wont need. Sounds to me as if they have just bought the farm as a whole , for the fields and thats probably why the house is empty and derelict.
The local development plan should be on your councils website, you can access it FOC, to get a copy from the council they probably charge, my local councils charge £35 per copy.
What is your intentions for the property if you were to aquire ?
The local development plan should be on your councils website, you can access it FOC, to get a copy from the council they probably charge, my local councils charge £35 per copy.
What is your intentions for the property if you were to aquire ?
Edited by ScottNicol on Sunday 17th December 21:35
ScottNicol said:
your best to contact them directly and ask them what they are doing with the land / property. David Wilson and Bryant Homes are 2 very big national developers who will happily dispose of small pieces of land they wont need. Sounds to me as if they have just bought the farm as a whole , for the fields and thats probably why the house is empty and derelict.
The local development plan should be on your councils website, you can access it FOC, to get a copy from the council they probably charge, my local councils charge £35 per copy.
What is your intentions for the property if you were to aquire ?
The local development plan should be on your councils website, you can access it FOC, to get a copy from the council they probably charge, my local councils charge £35 per copy.
What is your intentions for the property if you were to aquire ?
Edited by ScottNicol on Sunday 17th December 21:35
My intentions are all honourable sir, i just plan to build my dream home
Thing is, i'd want a decent amount of the land as I want a big drive and garden 
ScottNicol said:
Sounds to me as if they have just bought the farm as a whole , for the fields and thats probably why the house is empty and derelict.
Isn't there some rule that the council can take over a house that's been intentionally left unoccupied for 6mths? Maybe that's an angle?
not to sure to be honest, there is a developer around here who has done the same, bought famrs for the fields only, im not to sure what he has done with the actaul farm houses though !
Building your dream home will be so much fun, cant wait till im a little older till i can justify doing it myself
Building your dream home will be so much fun, cant wait till im a little older till i can justify doing it myself
Seany, I'd check it out before approaching the developers, if it's a defunct development opportunity they might be happy to offload it but if it's still a future possibility you've probably got little chance.
...and no you can't just take over a property that has been unoccupied for 6 months.....
...and no you can't just take over a property that has been unoccupied for 6 months.....
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