Valuation of business
Valuation of business
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scruffy101

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540 posts

246 months

Tuesday 24th February 2009
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Can anyone help me value m business.I have a barbers shop turnover £1900 pw,outgoings and staff(not including myself and partner are £1200 pw 5 yrs left on the lease and fittings £8000.Any ideas?I want to either buy him out or him buy me out?

Wacky Racer

41,407 posts

278 months

Tuesday 24th February 2009
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How much are the rent and rates??

I suspect at the end of the day you are going to sit down and agree a fair price between you, maybe pay for the f&f and a couple of thousand for "goodwill".

The days of paying silly money for leases and goodwill are long gone (imo)

_Voyager_

2,782 posts

253 months

Tuesday 24th February 2009
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Usually you take profit ( EBITDA) and then use a multiplier based on our sector, growth, and business plan. I would suggest 4 or 5 would be ok for you.

So if EBITDA is 50k pa x 4 = 200k sale price. Job done. Obviously though at the end of the day it is down to what the seller will sell at and what the buyer will pay.

JustinP1

13,364 posts

261 months

Tuesday 24th February 2009
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So, you have £700 a week profit. £35k a year.

However, do yourself and your partner both work full time? If you or they are going then you would need another staff member, so reduce that profit by that.

Based upon that, it is maybe earning you not much more than a non-owner's job would be somewhere else, but with the ownership risks.

As such it is not going to be hugely, hugely valuable to either of you. Getting much more accurate than that is difficult, and there is a more pertinent issue in that its true worth is what one or other of you is willing to pay the other for it!

You can do that by an 'auction' or sealed bids to your solicitor.

paul001

327 posts

268 months

Tuesday 24th February 2009
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Based on your figures - you are left with £36,400 per year but you then have to pay yourself and your partner out of this amount?

In terms of trying to value it, it's not straight forward, can you grow the business anymore at all or expand it in the future?

Can you adjust prices any futher?

Factor this stuff in as well- but in terms of a figure - it depends on who is purchasing it but based on those numbers a couple of grand is all it's worth IMHO.

scruffy101

Original Poster:

540 posts

246 months

Tuesday 24th February 2009
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Yes my partner and I take our money out of that so there is very little profit left,I just do not know what amount to offer him.We have a business loan of £4000 to pay off as well.For one boss it will be good but not enough for two partners.

Wacky Racer

41,407 posts

278 months

Tuesday 24th February 2009
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scruffy101 said:
Yes my partner and I take our money out of that so there is very little profit left,I just do not know what amount to offer him.We have a business loan of £4000 to pay off as well.For one boss it will be good but not enough for two partners.
Whatever you do, don't offer any silly money, that would be madness. The business is not earning enough.

If you do sell up, do you have a job to go to??.......

JustinP1

13,364 posts

261 months

Tuesday 24th February 2009
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scruffy101 said:
Yes my partner and I take our money out of that so there is very little profit left,I just do not know what amount to offer him.We have a business loan of £4000 to pay off as well.For one boss it will be good but not enough for two partners.
To be honest, paying off the loan yourself and releasing his debt it probably about what the business it 'worth'.

Anything above that it would be what you or he wants to pay for it, and let it go to the highest bidder.

Just sit down and discuss the matter and come to a figure you are both happy with.

scruffy101

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540 posts

246 months

Tuesday 24th February 2009
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thanks for the help

therealpigdog

2,592 posts

228 months

Tuesday 24th February 2009
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two methods that you could use here, provided that you have both agreed that one of you will end up buying the other one out:

1.) you give him a price for the business - he then decides whether he wants to sell his half for that price, or buy yours for the same price (so the onus is on you to offer a price that you would be happy to either pay or receive); or

2.) you give him a price for his half of the business. if he decides not to accept he must offer you a higher amount for your half. if you don't accept his offer then you must offer him more etc. etc. - eventually you will arrive at a price one of you is happy to take.

both relatively simple and realistic valuation methods provided that you both have access to all the information about the business - and they really do link in to the concept that something is only worth what someone else will pay for it.

_Voyager_

2,782 posts

253 months

Tuesday 24th February 2009
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therealpigdog said:
two methods
How simple, but yet so good.

therealpigdog

2,592 posts

228 months

Tuesday 24th February 2009
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_Voyager_ said:
therealpigdog said:
two methods
How simple, but yet so good.
bowtie why thank you

a mexican stand off or a texan shoot-out to use their common names (in the business). i'm here all week ... try the veal.

JustinP1

13,364 posts

261 months

Tuesday 24th February 2009
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The third option would be sealed bids.

Both parties deliver a single sealed bid to their solicitors.

The party with the higher bid buys the business at the other parties valuation of what they themselves would be prepared to pay for it.


That way you don't get one party bidding the other up and you get a true valuation of what the other party values the business at.