To VAT register or not to VAT register?
To VAT register or not to VAT register?
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Goochie

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5,804 posts

250 months

Friday 17th April 2009
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If your first year business plan aims to be above the VAT threshold in Q4 of the business, it seems to make sense to be VAT registered from the start. But can anyone convince me otherwise?

magic torch

5,781 posts

253 months

Friday 17th April 2009
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Are your dealing with VAT registered businesses or the public?

Goochie

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5,804 posts

250 months

Friday 17th April 2009
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magic torch said:
Are your dealing with VAT registered businesses or the public?
Both.

mondeoman

11,430 posts

297 months

Friday 17th April 2009
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You don't have to register for VAT if you believe you wont exceed the threshold, but as soon as you beleive you are going to you have to register.

Personally, I'd register and be done with it, rather than try and play catch up later in the year. Being registered allows you to offset VAT on purchases against VAT on income, so you won't necessarily have to pay anything for a while anyway.

What business are you in?

NathanJones

713 posts

244 months

Friday 17th April 2009
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register for VAT

Goochie

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5,804 posts

250 months

Friday 17th April 2009
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mondeoman said:
You don't have to register for VAT if you believe you wont exceed the threshold, but as soon as you beleive you are going to you have to register.

Personally, I'd register and be done with it, rather than try and play catch up later in the year. Being registered allows you to offset VAT on purchases against VAT on income, so you won't necessarily have to pay anything for a while anyway.

What business are you in?
Importing goods and flogging them to the public through a website but also to other businesses directly.

ewenm

28,506 posts

276 months

Friday 17th April 2009
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It's fairly painless to register. Well, painless in HMRC terms wink

mondeoman

11,430 posts

297 months

Friday 17th April 2009
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Goochie said:
mondeoman said:
You don't have to register for VAT if you believe you wont exceed the threshold, but as soon as you beleive you are going to you have to register.

Personally, I'd register and be done with it, rather than try and play catch up later in the year. Being registered allows you to offset VAT on purchases against VAT on income, so you won't necessarily have to pay anything for a while anyway.

What business are you in?
Importing goods and flogging them to the public through a website but also to other businesses directly.
Definitely register

anonymous-user

85 months

Saturday 18th April 2009
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Register-VAT registered means you will get more business. Ours went through the roof once VAT registered!

singlecoil

35,864 posts

277 months

Saturday 18th April 2009
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If you are mainly selling to non vat registered businesses, and if you do not actually NEED to register for VAT, then DO NOT REGISTER FOR VAT.

Remember what VAT is, it's a 15% tax that you pay on the value that you have increased your product by. If you are not increasing the value of your produce, then you will not be making any money. It is particularly important for businesses that sell a high proprtion of labour to avoid VAT if they can.

mondeoman

11,430 posts

297 months

Sunday 19th April 2009
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singlecoil said:
If you are mainly selling to non vat registered businesses, and if you do not actually NEED to register for VAT, then DO NOT REGISTER FOR VAT.

Remember what VAT is, it's a 15% tax that you pay on the value that you have increased your product by. If you are not increasing the value of your produce, then you will not be making any money. It is particularly important for businesses that sell a high proprtion of labour to avoid VAT if they can.
mondeoman said:
You don't have to register for VAT if you believe you wont exceed the threshold, but as soon as you beleive you are going to you have to register.

Personally, I'd register and be done with it, rather than try and play catch up later in the year. Being registered allows you to offset VAT on purchases against VAT on income, so you won't necessarily have to pay anything for a while anyway.

What business are you in?
goochie said:
Importing goods and flogging them to the public through a website but also to other businesses directly.
He's buying from the EU and selling to business - I'd go for definite VAT registration

Goochie

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5,804 posts

250 months

Sunday 19th April 2009
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mondeoman said:
singlecoil said:
If you are mainly selling to non vat registered businesses, and if you do not actually NEED to register for VAT, then DO NOT REGISTER FOR VAT.

Remember what VAT is, it's a 15% tax that you pay on the value that you have increased your product by. If you are not increasing the value of your produce, then you will not be making any money. It is particularly important for businesses that sell a high proprtion of labour to avoid VAT if they can.
mondeoman said:
You don't have to register for VAT if you believe you wont exceed the threshold, but as soon as you beleive you are going to you have to register.

Personally, I'd register and be done with it, rather than try and play catch up later in the year. Being registered allows you to offset VAT on purchases against VAT on income, so you won't necessarily have to pay anything for a while anyway.

What business are you in?
goochie said:
Importing goods and flogging them to the public through a website but also to other businesses directly.
He's buying from the EU and selling to business - I'd go for definite VAT registration
Buying from China wink

singlecoil

35,864 posts

277 months

Monday 20th April 2009
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mondeoman said:
singlecoil said:
If you are mainly selling to non vat registered businesses, and if you do not actually NEED to register for VAT, then DO NOT REGISTER FOR VAT.

Remember what VAT is, it's a 15% tax that you pay on the value that you have increased your product by. If you are not increasing the value of your produce, then you will not be making any money. It is particularly important for businesses that sell a high proprtion of labour to avoid VAT if they can.
mondeoman said:
You don't have to register for VAT if you believe you wont exceed the threshold, but as soon as you beleive you are going to you have to register.

Personally, I'd register and be done with it, rather than try and play catch up later in the year. Being registered allows you to offset VAT on purchases against VAT on income, so you won't necessarily have to pay anything for a while anyway.

What business are you in?
goochie said:
Importing goods and flogging them to the public through a website but also to other businesses directly.
He's buying from the EU and selling to business - I'd go for definite VAT registration
If he was selling to VAT registered businesses then your advice would be correct, but I'm rather getting the impression that he will be selling to the public mostly, and they will not be able to reclaim the VAT.

anonymous-user

85 months

Monday 20th April 2009
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You think going VAT registered when you sell to the public would go against you-it doesn't. Like i said-sales went through the roof. VAT registered means more credibilty=more sales.

singlecoil

35,864 posts

277 months

Monday 20th April 2009
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Dave_ST220 said:
You think going VAT registered when you sell to the public would go against you-it doesn't. Like i said-sales went through the roof. VAT registered means more credibilty=more sales.
Well then I guess that all depends on the business. In some businesses, being up to 15% more expensive is a problem, obviously in yours it isn't

anonymous-user

85 months

Tuesday 21st April 2009
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I Can't see why we would be unique in being 15% more expensive than non VAT registered eBay sellers for example. People don't always go for cheapest, if they did we wouldn't be here.

scrob

140 posts

243 months

Saturday 25th April 2009
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When you import the goods, you have to pay VAT on entry to the UK. If you register for VAT, you reclaim all the VAT you paid on entry on your next return, and then charge it as and when you make each sale.

Surely if you don't register, you'll not be able to reclaim it, and in order to preserve your margin you'll have to increase your price anyway?