Finding reliable staff
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What is wrong with people? It seems no one is prepared to work anymore!
Im looking for a canvasser to go door to door selling. Not the most glamorous job in the world but they have a genuine opportunity to earn £50 an hour or more if they have half a brain. I have had 3 people in the last week lined up and cancel a couple of hours before because "they got offered something else" and "I cant get a train to Kingston at the right time"????
Im sick to death of people moaning about the 'credit crunch' and 'its tough out there' when Im offering good money for an easy job and no one wants it!
Im looking for a canvasser to go door to door selling. Not the most glamorous job in the world but they have a genuine opportunity to earn £50 an hour or more if they have half a brain. I have had 3 people in the last week lined up and cancel a couple of hours before because "they got offered something else" and "I cant get a train to Kingston at the right time"????
Im sick to death of people moaning about the 'credit crunch' and 'its tough out there' when Im offering good money for an easy job and no one wants it!
Here's a thing from my experiences as an employer.
An employer rates bonuses and commission as good. Because in the event of poor business you don't have to pay it. An employer looks at salary as bad because regardless of business you must pay it.
Understandably MOST employees therefore rate salary as being worth more than commission.
I have seen people turn down £10Ks worth of bonus/commission structure for £3K of salary in preference.
Sales jobs, of course, work on commission. Good sales staff value it - as they intend to make ALL of it and hence do better than salary. But here's the catch. They will look at your products and if they aren't going to fly of the shelves? They will not want to know...
So - you might be thinking: £50 an hour! They're thinking: £5 an hour. Same deal.
An employer rates bonuses and commission as good. Because in the event of poor business you don't have to pay it. An employer looks at salary as bad because regardless of business you must pay it.
Understandably MOST employees therefore rate salary as being worth more than commission.
I have seen people turn down £10Ks worth of bonus/commission structure for £3K of salary in preference.
Sales jobs, of course, work on commission. Good sales staff value it - as they intend to make ALL of it and hence do better than salary. But here's the catch. They will look at your products and if they aren't going to fly of the shelves? They will not want to know...
So - you might be thinking: £50 an hour! They're thinking: £5 an hour. Same deal.
Don said:
Here's a thing from my experiences as an employer.
An employer rates bonuses and commission as good. Because in the event of poor business you don't have to pay it. An employer looks at salary as bad because regardless of business you must pay it.
Understandably MOST employees therefore rate salary as being worth more than commission.
I have seen people turn down £10Ks worth of bonus/commission structure for £3K of salary in preference.
Sales jobs, of course, work on commission. Good sales staff value it - as they intend to make ALL of it and hence do better than salary. But here's the catch. They will look at your products and if they aren't going to fly of the shelves? They will not want to know...
So - you might be thinking: £50 an hour! They're thinking: £5 an hour. Same deal.
True. I know they can earn that but there are plenty of job ads out there promising huge earnings but the reality is very different.An employer rates bonuses and commission as good. Because in the event of poor business you don't have to pay it. An employer looks at salary as bad because regardless of business you must pay it.
Understandably MOST employees therefore rate salary as being worth more than commission.
I have seen people turn down £10Ks worth of bonus/commission structure for £3K of salary in preference.
Sales jobs, of course, work on commission. Good sales staff value it - as they intend to make ALL of it and hence do better than salary. But here's the catch. They will look at your products and if they aren't going to fly of the shelves? They will not want to know...
So - you might be thinking: £50 an hour! They're thinking: £5 an hour. Same deal.
I dont actually state what we pay on the ads but still have got plenty of responses. The problem is the ones who I organise a time with end up pulling out before they have even started.
playerone said:
I wasnt actually advertising I was just moaning 
Canvassing for shopping vouchers on credit and shorlty photography services.
So the target market for "Shopping vouchers on credit" is more than likely to be those that are already living in poverty, generally deprived areas. Surely this is unlikely to be the target market for the extravagance of a studio portrait session?Canvassing for shopping vouchers on credit and shorlty photography services.
I think any employee would have a tough time earning £50-00 an hour on this consistently.
Amused2death said:
playerone said:
I wasnt actually advertising I was just moaning
Canvassing for shopping vouchers on credit and shorlty photography services.
So the target market for "Shopping vouchers on credit" is more than likely to be those that are already living in poverty, generally deprived areas. Surely this is unlikely to be the target market for the extravagance of a studio portrait session?Canvassing for shopping vouchers on credit and shorlty photography services.
I think any employee would have a tough time earning £50-00 an hour on this consistently.
playerone said:
Amused2death said:
playerone said:
I wasnt actually advertising I was just moaning
Canvassing for shopping vouchers on credit and shorlty photography services.
So the target market for "Shopping vouchers on credit" is more than likely to be those that are already living in poverty, generally deprived areas. Surely this is unlikely to be the target market for the extravagance of a studio portrait session?Canvassing for shopping vouchers on credit and shorlty photography services.
I think any employee would have a tough time earning £50-00 an hour on this consistently.
A's, B's and C's.....or D's and E's.
Amused2death said:
playerone said:
Im not discussing my products in this thread. Its about recruiting staff.
In which case, I stand by what I said.However this doesn't mean you don't deserve decent staff for your enterprise....good luck
The photography is on credit (interest free) and the target market is the same.
The MIGHT get £50PH, they might not.
For most, as stated above, a guarantee of say £7 a hour is better than a chance to make X amount. If it's door to door I also assume (but could be wrong) that you are not exactly expecting people to work for you for life etc.. and move up the career ladder..... So the staff are thinking the same, and in this market a lower wage which is guaranteed is better than a chance to make 3 times more.
For most, as stated above, a guarantee of say £7 a hour is better than a chance to make X amount. If it's door to door I also assume (but could be wrong) that you are not exactly expecting people to work for you for life etc.. and move up the career ladder..... So the staff are thinking the same, and in this market a lower wage which is guaranteed is better than a chance to make 3 times more.
playerone said:
Just been out and did a couple of hours myself. 4 new customers gained and walking round on a very pleasant afternoon.
Well there's your answer!Going around door to door and being turned away 99% of the time isn't going to have people banging down your door for a job, and it will have a high churn rate.
If you get 4 customers each time, is that enough to keep you in business?
JustinP1 said:
playerone said:
Just been out and did a couple of hours myself. 4 new customers gained and walking round on a very pleasant afternoon.
Well there's your answer!Going around door to door and being turned away 99% of the time isn't going to have people banging down your door for a job, and it will have a high churn rate.
If you get 4 customers each time, is that enough to keep you in business?
I would have paid someone £70 for 2 hours work this evening.
4 customers a day is fine.
playerone said:
JustinP1 said:
playerone said:
Just been out and did a couple of hours myself. 4 new customers gained and walking round on a very pleasant afternoon.
Well there's your answer!Going around door to door and being turned away 99% of the time isn't going to have people banging down your door for a job, and it will have a high churn rate.
If you get 4 customers each time, is that enough to keep you in business?
I would have paid someone £70 for 2 hours work this evening.
4 customers a day is fine.
These are not the traits of those who go for d2d selling jobs; look at those that you do get onboard - not being motivated and closing 7-15% of what you could.
Good luck anyhow.
Have you tried advertising for staff at your local uni or college? Maybe offer part time work. Students are going to be needing more and more extra finance by way of a job these days. I used to work 17.5 hours a week while at uni plus any cash-in-hand stuff i was offered.
If you make the role flexable to the degree that students can do it a few days a week when they don't have college/lectures you might find you get a few takes.
If you've already tried this then i'll shut up
If you make the role flexable to the degree that students can do it a few days a week when they don't have college/lectures you might find you get a few takes.
If you've already tried this then i'll shut up
BigAlinEmbra said:
Try sticking an advert in your local Polish work bureau. I've yet to meet a workshy Pole.
I've got two Polish lads working for me and they're great. No less articulate than anyone else in the office in English either.
Yep, know some polish lads off the doors. Never late for work. Always immaculately dressed / groomed etc. They work with us on a commission scheme, and they are always hounding me for their commission every week! I've got two Polish lads working for me and they're great. No less articulate than anyone else in the office in English either.
Door-2-Door only really attracts the idiots that think they are good salesmen. I imagine that it's also hard to remain motivated when you are out in the field alone with no mentors, peers etc. Add that to the stigma of door-2-door selling and you're gonna find it tough.
Have you tried to target local students? I was really sceptical at first but now use students for a LOT of stuff. If you can excite them about the product they will do pretty much anything for you - We even manage to get carloads of them chanting 'We all Love Longleys' as they go past the pubs in town - they do that for free!
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