All todays phones actually getting worse?
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Evening all,
Well, are they? Don't get me wrong you can do some pretty cool stuff with new phones. I remember the old days, my Nokia 7210 would last for weeks, I am lucky if I get half a day out of my Apple iPhone.
I've gone through two iPhones in the last couple of days and it's looking like another one.
Pretty piss poor!
Well, are they? Don't get me wrong you can do some pretty cool stuff with new phones. I remember the old days, my Nokia 7210 would last for weeks, I am lucky if I get half a day out of my Apple iPhone.
I've gone through two iPhones in the last couple of days and it's looking like another one.
Pretty piss poor!
Phones nowadays do a shed load more than a Nokia 7210 ever needs to, hence it gets more battery life, and is more reliable. The solar powered calculator on my desk is also more reliable, and doesn't need charging as often as my laptops either.
Modern phones are not only connecting for calls, but for VoIP, mail, Internet, location services, GPS, and so on. Software will be software. They have touchscreens, with glass, and are. It merely made out of a lump of plastic with a screen that has no need to be 'delicate'.
Of you want a Nokia 7210 the phone, there are plenty available.
What are you actually using your iPhone for? What things do you have running in the background? You might want to fettle in settings to turn off Bluetooth, push email, and so on.
Modern phones are not only connecting for calls, but for VoIP, mail, Internet, location services, GPS, and so on. Software will be software. They have touchscreens, with glass, and are. It merely made out of a lump of plastic with a screen that has no need to be 'delicate'.
Of you want a Nokia 7210 the phone, there are plenty available.
What are you actually using your iPhone for? What things do you have running in the background? You might want to fettle in settings to turn off Bluetooth, push email, and so on.
Edited by TheHeretic on Wednesday 4th July 20:49
Oh Jesus, didn't we JUST finish a 30+ page thread on this which was mainly Pr1964somethingarather against the world.
Outcomes:
Pr1964 is wrong a lot.
You want fancy features, battery life suffers.
You want better battery life, buy a used phone.
Manufacturers aren't going to buy new versions of old phones when old phones are still available second hand.
Outcomes:
Pr1964 is wrong a lot.
You want fancy features, battery life suffers.
You want better battery life, buy a used phone.
Manufacturers aren't going to buy new versions of old phones when old phones are still available second hand.
MiniMan64 said:
Oh Jesus, didn't we JUST finish a 30+ page thread on this which was mainly Pr1964somethingarather against the world.
Outcomes:
Pr1964 is wrong a lot.
You want fancy features, battery life suffers.
You want better battery life, buy a used phone.
Manufacturers aren't going to buy new versions of old phones when old phones are still available second hand.
I remember that thread Outcomes:
Pr1964 is wrong a lot.
You want fancy features, battery life suffers.
You want better battery life, buy a used phone.
Manufacturers aren't going to buy new versions of old phones when old phones are still available second hand.
No need to buy a second hand phone - they're still making basic phones with long battery life, like this one
http://www.mobile-phones-uk.org.uk/nokia-c1-01.htm
Surely it depends on what you use it for and how often. I have an Orange San Francisco that would regularly go 6-8 days between charges. I also have an Iphone 3g that is currently showing 60% charge remaining and was last charged 3 days, 7 hours ago.
My first mobile was one of these monsters.
I would be lucky to get 12 hours on standby, with absolutely no use at all...and that was a massive improvement on the previous "brick" 8000s owned by a couple people I knew.
Can't say I find today's phones lacking.
My first mobile was one of these monsters.
I would be lucky to get 12 hours on standby, with absolutely no use at all...and that was a massive improvement on the previous "brick" 8000s owned by a couple people I knew.
Can't say I find today's phones lacking.
Edited by redtwin on Wednesday 4th July 22:44
I still have my Nokia 2730 that I bought just after they came out (got to be nearly three year's ago now!).
I still like it. In the time I've had it, its been very abused. Its been dropped numerous times, submerged in water, thrown. Its had literally everything thrown at it!
It still works great. I've never replaced the covers on it (front or back). It has a removable battery which a lot of phones don't have now. It has a memory card slot (again, a lot of phones don't now) and I've just never seen the need to replace it, as I mainly text, and have never really needed internet on the move, as I'm either at work, or at home, or round a friends and the battery easily lasts a week.
That said, I can't help looking at smartphones and really wanting one! I'm 99% sure I'm going to opt for an iPhone when the new one comes out. You can just do so much with them now, I'm sure my laptop would become almost redundant. I recently bought my dad a new Ipad as well so he can use it on the move and stream sky on the move (He's a lorry driver), and was very impressed.
I guess it depends on price though. I've never paid much for a phone and my current contract costs £0 a month (if anyone remembers the T-mobile mis price that got posted on HotUKdeals back in November, that's what I'm on, so have paid £0 for a 12 month contract)
This is the only thing that stops me getting an iPhone. To buy it outright costs a fortune, and to have it on contract is usually at least £30 over 24 months - That's a lot. I can't help cringing when I hear some of my friends paying £30-£40 a month for two years!
The only other thing that annoys me is that all my friends, regardless of where they are or what they are doing, appear to be glued to their phones 24/7.
I still like it. In the time I've had it, its been very abused. Its been dropped numerous times, submerged in water, thrown. Its had literally everything thrown at it!
It still works great. I've never replaced the covers on it (front or back). It has a removable battery which a lot of phones don't have now. It has a memory card slot (again, a lot of phones don't now) and I've just never seen the need to replace it, as I mainly text, and have never really needed internet on the move, as I'm either at work, or at home, or round a friends and the battery easily lasts a week.
That said, I can't help looking at smartphones and really wanting one! I'm 99% sure I'm going to opt for an iPhone when the new one comes out. You can just do so much with them now, I'm sure my laptop would become almost redundant. I recently bought my dad a new Ipad as well so he can use it on the move and stream sky on the move (He's a lorry driver), and was very impressed.
I guess it depends on price though. I've never paid much for a phone and my current contract costs £0 a month (if anyone remembers the T-mobile mis price that got posted on HotUKdeals back in November, that's what I'm on, so have paid £0 for a 12 month contract)
This is the only thing that stops me getting an iPhone. To buy it outright costs a fortune, and to have it on contract is usually at least £30 over 24 months - That's a lot. I can't help cringing when I hear some of my friends paying £30-£40 a month for two years!
The only other thing that annoys me is that all my friends, regardless of where they are or what they are doing, appear to be glued to their phones 24/7.
Edited by James_N on Wednesday 4th July 22:49
MarkRSi said:
I remember that thread
No need to buy a second hand phone - they're still making basic phones with long battery life, like this one
http://www.mobile-phones-uk.org.uk/nokia-c1-01.htm
Fantastic phone. I bought one last year when I left my iphone at home but needed to be contactable - sick relative. Now it sits at my place in Scotland as an emergency phone. Huge standby time on it.No need to buy a second hand phone - they're still making basic phones with long battery life, like this one
http://www.mobile-phones-uk.org.uk/nokia-c1-01.htm
0000 said:
Crappy phones are still available. Better ones use more juice, battery technology hasn't moved on as much.
The problem is that battery technology has moved on leaps and bounds, however it seems to not be used as much in the mobile phone and domestic technology market.I have no idea why this is the case.
Is being critical of an apple product in any way actually a capital offence on PH or would certain people just like it to be?
To the OP - do what everyone else should do - reject the iPhone as "not fit for purpose", get your money back and buy something that can actually last at least for a day.
If everyone did that Apple would be forced to do something about it in the next version.
To the OP - do what everyone else should do - reject the iPhone as "not fit for purpose", get your money back and buy something that can actually last at least for a day.
If everyone did that Apple would be forced to do something about it in the next version.
Edited by sgrimshaw on Thursday 5th July 05:50
sgrimshaw said:
Is being critical of an apple product in any way actually a capital offence on PH or would certain people just like it to be?
To the OP - do what everyone else should do - reject the iPhone as "not fit for purpose", get your money back and buy something that can actually last at least for a day.
If everyone did that Apple would be forced to do something about it in the next version.
What's the "something" you would like them to do about it?To the OP - do what everyone else should do - reject the iPhone as "not fit for purpose", get your money back and buy something that can actually last at least for a day.
If everyone did that Apple would be forced to do something about it in the next version.
At the current cost, size and performance point (which is incredibly popular, hence the iPhone's massive sales figures), the battery life is what it is.
Ditto for the Samsung Galaxy S 3, HTC One X, etc, etc.
Big screen + fast CPU + many radios (2G/3G/BT/Wifi) = worse battery life than an old Nokia that has none of those features.
Mobile computing is always a compromise. For premium smartphones, the market currently prioritises performance and screen size over battery life. If you don't have those priorities, then unfortunately you're going to have to compromise further.
TheHeretic - it's not just this thread in particular.
CJ - they need to work on the power consumption of the device or provide a higher capacity battery.
Yes it might mean a 1mm thicker battery, and therefore a slightly thicker phone.
If it meant it could run for significantly longer then the product would be improved.
I don't have a problem with battery on my HTC phone and frankly it does everything an iPhone can do just as well.
I have an iPod Touch and an iPad - I think they are excellent bits of kit. Both incidently have very good battery life.
The iPhone is a premium product, and for whatever reason people are prepared to pay a hefty premium over that of other Smartphone.
I just think the performance should match up to the price and the position it holds in the market.
CJ - they need to work on the power consumption of the device or provide a higher capacity battery.
Yes it might mean a 1mm thicker battery, and therefore a slightly thicker phone.
If it meant it could run for significantly longer then the product would be improved.
I don't have a problem with battery on my HTC phone and frankly it does everything an iPhone can do just as well.
I have an iPod Touch and an iPad - I think they are excellent bits of kit. Both incidently have very good battery life.
The iPhone is a premium product, and for whatever reason people are prepared to pay a hefty premium over that of other Smartphone.
I just think the performance should match up to the price and the position it holds in the market.
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