Why I'm not switching to Linux yet...
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I would love to switch to Linux for it's security and speed and low cost of ownership but I won't for several reasons...
Not as user friendly as Windows. Familiarity is a problem I guess.
Applications are sparse. I want to run an accounts system that accountants can support. I want a contact management system like ACT.
I want a decent email system that allows me to share like Exchange. I think this is probably avilable though.
Until apps like these are available then I will be sticking with Microsoft. Right I am off to play my Windows only games...
Not as user friendly as Windows. Familiarity is a problem I guess.
Applications are sparse. I want to run an accounts system that accountants can support. I want a contact management system like ACT.
I want a decent email system that allows me to share like Exchange. I think this is probably avilable though.
Until apps like these are available then I will be sticking with Microsoft. Right I am off to play my Windows only games...
A tiny number of people have a valid gripe with certain windows features.
A few more people, now about those features and also dont like them.
Millions of people are bandwagon jumpers who dont like MS stuff, but dont quite know why.
Its an overblown argument at best.
Linux has its place but its not 'on every desktop in office and home'
Windows kicks the absolute shit out of it in so many areas as to make the tiny number with valid problems seem insignificant.
Lets not forget the Linus Thorsveld created Linux because Windows didnt do *exactly* what he wanted for a university project.
A few more people, now about those features and also dont like them.
Millions of people are bandwagon jumpers who dont like MS stuff, but dont quite know why.
Its an overblown argument at best.
Linux has its place but its not 'on every desktop in office and home'
Windows kicks the absolute shit out of it in so many areas as to make the tiny number with valid problems seem insignificant.
Lets not forget the Linus Thorsveld created Linux because Windows didnt do *exactly* what he wanted for a university project.
Unix = Great for Servers, doesn't cut it as a Day-to-day desktop.
Windows = Great for Desktops, doesn't cut it as a Server.
Used to be my motto.. NOW, windows has come along as a Server, as has Unix as a Desktop... but they are still eons off each other respectively.
Driving a Windows Server is like being chauffer driven in an automatic... logging is atrocious, you cant kill what you want, hell, you cant even see what is actually running given windows wont actually tell you honestly. It uses ALOT more resources than it should, its a Server, WHY do you need a GUI ?
On the other hand, Unix is just far to fussy as a Desktop, there are times when people just want to be chauffer driven around, they don't want to check the oil every hour, or manually tune the engine up.. let alone have to CREATE their own petrol from base elements, and obviously there just isn't the prompt software availability.
Windows has its uses as a server, ASP.net, .net Framework etc, BUT, if you REALLY wanted, you could replicate these on Nix, or just code around it in a different language.
I am not Anti either, I have hundreds of clients using both, and we support them all.. I just believe each has its time and place
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Windows = Great for Desktops, doesn't cut it as a Server.
Used to be my motto.. NOW, windows has come along as a Server, as has Unix as a Desktop... but they are still eons off each other respectively.
Driving a Windows Server is like being chauffer driven in an automatic... logging is atrocious, you cant kill what you want, hell, you cant even see what is actually running given windows wont actually tell you honestly. It uses ALOT more resources than it should, its a Server, WHY do you need a GUI ?
On the other hand, Unix is just far to fussy as a Desktop, there are times when people just want to be chauffer driven around, they don't want to check the oil every hour, or manually tune the engine up.. let alone have to CREATE their own petrol from base elements, and obviously there just isn't the prompt software availability.
Windows has its uses as a server, ASP.net, .net Framework etc, BUT, if you REALLY wanted, you could replicate these on Nix, or just code around it in a different language.
I am not Anti either, I have hundreds of clients using both, and we support them all.. I just believe each has its time and place
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Plotloss, so wrong in so many ways.
(The original posting is likely a troll, anyway.)
The main reason that desktop PC users stay with Windows is that it comes with the PC and they know no better.
Windows is fundamentally broken in a number of very serious ways. In its UI, in its internal design, in its security model, in its reliability and in the morals (a convicted monopolist, don't forget) of its originator.
www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/26/pc_petri_dish_city/
www.theregister.co.uk/security/security_report_windows_vs_linux/
(The original posting is likely a troll, anyway.)
The main reason that desktop PC users stay with Windows is that it comes with the PC and they know no better.
Windows is fundamentally broken in a number of very serious ways. In its UI, in its internal design, in its security model, in its reliability and in the morals (a convicted monopolist, don't forget) of its originator.
www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/26/pc_petri_dish_city/
www.theregister.co.uk/security/security_report_windows_vs_linux/
zumbruk..
find me some product in life that isn't broken in some way..
the point is simple, windows is EASY.
it come preinstalled, its had billions spent of HCI, its simple and generic.. People know it, and can port their skills from office to office and home again.
Whilst you could argue that Linux is technologically superior (tho I doubt it!) the simple point is, and will be for the foreseeable future, windows will rein King over consumer desktops, with MacOS coming in second!
Linux just isn't simple or attractive enough.
and don't get started on Security
NiX is buffer overrun heaven
Leave either consumer oriented box freshly installed an online for more than 5 minutes and they have been rooted.
find me some product in life that isn't broken in some way..
the point is simple, windows is EASY.
it come preinstalled, its had billions spent of HCI, its simple and generic.. People know it, and can port their skills from office to office and home again.
Whilst you could argue that Linux is technologically superior (tho I doubt it!) the simple point is, and will be for the foreseeable future, windows will rein King over consumer desktops, with MacOS coming in second!
Linux just isn't simple or attractive enough.
and don't get started on Security
NiX is buffer overrun heaven Leave either consumer oriented box freshly installed an online for more than 5 minutes and they have been rooted.
JamieBeeston said:
zumbruk..
find me some product in life that isn't broken in some way..
the point is simple, windows is EASY.
Err, no. It's familiar. Until quite recently, I had nothing to do with Windows. I found it a huge struggle to get it do what I wanted, and a lot of the time, still do. And I've worked in IT since 1975, and started playing with it in 1969.
JamieBeeston said:
its had billions spent of HCI,
All wasted. Any system that puts up a file chooser that seizes the input focus and cannot be resized is broken. GUIs should do what *you* want, not what some pimply geek in Redmond wants. And there are literally hundreds of other examples.
JamieBeeston said:
its simple
It *should* be simple. But it isn't; it's opaque. The complexity is still there, you just can't see (and in some cases access) it. And when it goes wrong, it's impossible to fix without skills at least as complex as those required to fix Linux.
JamieBeeston said:
Whilst you could argue that Linux is technologically superior
It is. Follow the URLs I've posted already.
JamieBeeston said:
and don't get started on Security
Read the URLs.
JamieBeeston said:
Leave either consumer oriented box freshly installed an online for more than 5 minutes and they have been rooted.
Sorry, but this is rubbish. Recent Red Hat installs come with no incoming network services installed at all, whereas Windows doesn't work at all without some of them.
plotloss said:I'm not aware of any fundamental flaws in Linux. There are bugs to be fixed, yes, but that is different. Not in the same way that Windoze is fundamentally flawed, with it's monolithic registry, security model etc.
I completely disagree Zumbruk.
I appreciate that you are a usability type but on that basis alone you must see that Linux is fundamentally flawed.
plotloss said:Why? The only way for Microsoft is down - it's not like it can expand anymore.
I'll be with the boys with all the money rather than a welder from Swansea with a beowulf cluster in his pants...
"Billions spent on HCI"???
http://digilander.libero.it/chiediloapippo/Engineering/iarchitect/idxprod.htm
If they *must* steal someone elses UI, they could at least have done it properly.
http://digilander.libero.it/chiediloapippo/Engineering/iarchitect/idxprod.htm
If they *must* steal someone elses UI, they could at least have done it properly.
So for someone like me I cannot move to Linux.
Maybe Longhorn will sort some of Window's fundamental flaws such as GUI.
If all I did was browse the internet, look at my emails and create graphics then yes I would move to Linux but there is too much exposure to the Operating System that gets me all jittery.
What we need is a Linux Lite!
Maybe Longhorn will sort some of Window's fundamental flaws such as GUI.
If all I did was browse the internet, look at my emails and create graphics then yes I would move to Linux but there is too much exposure to the Operating System that gets me all jittery.
What we need is a Linux Lite!
zumbruk said:
Err, no. It's familiar. Until quite recently, I had nothing to do with Windows. I found it a huge struggle to get it do what I wanted, and a lot of the time, still do. And I've worked in IT since 1975, and started playing with it in 1969.
Thats exactly why you found it a struggle.
You are nix Oldsk00l. most people arent.
Windows IS simple, thats why my 45 yr old IT phobic mum, within a week of 'deciding to learn it' was MSNing me daily,emailing me photos from her Digicam which she uploaded to her pc, and then subsequently FTP'd up to her webspace.
Windows IS Easy.
As for default RH installs, yeah, they turn off FTP in XinetD, great, SSHD is still open from default on a standard install.
and that simply reitterates my origional point.. You install RH, great, nothing works now.. you have to go and turn it all on, vi some files, Re-Hup xinetd.. All fine for the likes of us Vi Warriors, Game Over for my mum tho.
Its one thing advocating a product, its another to convince yourself that just because its EASY for you, that it must be easy for others.
Redhat is trying to become a desktop os, and in the process its becoming a Worse Server OS. Its becoming windows, Bloated, Slow on the same hardware, Huge install footprint, Automatic. Thats why I prefer BSD. Its oldsk00l that stayed oldsk00l, but works in the modern world!
anyway, lets not squabble
zumbruk said:
"Billions spent on HCI"???
http://digilander.libero.it/chiediloapippo/Engineering/iarchitect/idxprod.htm
If they *must* steal someone elses UI, they could at least have done it properly.
These comments only go to show your lack of impartiality here. Take a step back, and look at the big picture..
It amuses me these people who passionately hate MS..
Jealousy is a soul destroyer
MS is a huge MultiNat, why? Because people like their products...
Live with it
JamieBeeston said:
zumbruk said:
"Billions spent on HCI"???
http://digilander.libero.it/chiediloapippo/Engineering/iarchitect/idxprod.htm
If they *must* steal someone elses UI, they could at least have done it properly.
These comments only go to show your lack of impartiality here.
Impartial? I'm not impartial. I want MS to go out of business. If only because of the arrogance and lies of it's co-founder. And I repeat; Microsoft is a convicted monopolist. And the EU haven't finished with them, yet.
zumbruk said:
Impartial? I'm not impartial. I want MS to go out of business. If only because of the arrogance and lies of it's co-founder. And I repeat; Microsoft is a convicted monopolist. And the EU haven't finished with them, yet.
least you're honest I suppose. I dont want to see them out of business at all. It would spell the end of millions of jobs all over the world. Hardly good for the greater world economy!
Convicted monopoly, oh no.. they gave people a Free Browser, a Free Media Player, and more Recently a Free Firewall... The devils!! May they burn in hell for giving customers Free Things
I swear, if MS made Autoroute and Office FREE with Windows 2005, people would be up in arms, professing them evil satan worshiping dogs for expanding their monopolistic kitten killing ways
There are REAL evils in this world... forget about MS and focus your energy elsewhere
JamieBeeston said:
MS is a huge MultiNat, why? Because people like their products...
I'm not on either side of the fence, but the answer to that question is actually "because Gates was very canny in his licencing arrangements for DOS"
Windows is so prevelant purely because of Bill's cunning.
Personally I like Windows, because as a developer I can be reasonably sure that the code I write will run on 99% of my potential customer's hardware.
With all the various Windoze flavours and service packs around these days, my last statement is becoming increasingly difficult to support!
pdV6 said:
I'm not on either side of the fence, but the answer to that question is actually "because Gates was very canny in his licencing arrangements for DOS"
Still woudlnt mean Jack if noone bought his products
As I have already said, I like them both, in their place.
At work, I have maybe 60 windows machines, but over 400 unix machines...(not counting the MAC / Sun boxes, or firewalls), at home, I have 4 windows laptops/machines.
What does that say
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