I hate my new laptop and windows 10
Discussion
My trusty old win7 laptop ceased to function (coffee spill) so I went out and bought a new one.
I'm in no way computer geeky but am able to look at specifications, compare and make reasoned decisions on what to buy. As I'm not computer geeky in any way, a low range machine is all that I need. Job jobbed. AMD A9, 8gb ram, 1 tb hdd, perfect for me.
When-
1, Was it decided to combine the touchpad buttons in the f'ing touchpad, how s
t is that.
2, Was it decided (Lenovo) to produce a machine without sufficient drivers to allow me to turn off all the stupid touchpad gestures that work when you don't want them to and not work when you do. Pathetic. Previous machines have all had very detailed settings for this but all I've got is touchpad sensitivity. I've spent hours online scouring and searching for the correct and or better drivers and there are none. In the few instances where I've decided to take a punt on some drivers to see what happens, windows 10 won't allow me to take that punt and says that I already the best drivers!
3, Was it decided to have the bios not where the bios should be. I was tinkering with the idea of making a duel boot win7 win10 machine or maybe having a go a linux (but I don't think I have the ability).
4, Was it decided that Windows 10 was a good idea. I really don't like it and spent quite a while turning off all what I consider to be the intrusive stuff but I've probably only scratched the surface with that.
After three days of this, I was so angry and annoyed that I ordered a refurbished Win7 machine (an HP elite book, the same as the one I happily used for work for many years before it was repleaced) which will hopefully be here on Monday. I'll gift the new win10 machine to my son!
No idea what I'm going to do when microsoft cease to support win7 next year?
For context, although not a geek or ever in the geek industry, I've used computers for a long time starting off with Dos and Win 3, Win95, Win 98, Win XP then Win 7 with a few versions of NT thrown in on the work machines here and there, no problems. I even got on quite well with windows 8 for a while! But for some reason I hate windows 10, really hate it.
It seems to be a theme of modern life or more likely that I'm turning into a grumpy old git, but things seem to be getting worse than they once were. Is it just me?
I'm in no way computer geeky but am able to look at specifications, compare and make reasoned decisions on what to buy. As I'm not computer geeky in any way, a low range machine is all that I need. Job jobbed. AMD A9, 8gb ram, 1 tb hdd, perfect for me.
When-
1, Was it decided to combine the touchpad buttons in the f'ing touchpad, how s
t is that.2, Was it decided (Lenovo) to produce a machine without sufficient drivers to allow me to turn off all the stupid touchpad gestures that work when you don't want them to and not work when you do. Pathetic. Previous machines have all had very detailed settings for this but all I've got is touchpad sensitivity. I've spent hours online scouring and searching for the correct and or better drivers and there are none. In the few instances where I've decided to take a punt on some drivers to see what happens, windows 10 won't allow me to take that punt and says that I already the best drivers!
3, Was it decided to have the bios not where the bios should be. I was tinkering with the idea of making a duel boot win7 win10 machine or maybe having a go a linux (but I don't think I have the ability).
4, Was it decided that Windows 10 was a good idea. I really don't like it and spent quite a while turning off all what I consider to be the intrusive stuff but I've probably only scratched the surface with that.
After three days of this, I was so angry and annoyed that I ordered a refurbished Win7 machine (an HP elite book, the same as the one I happily used for work for many years before it was repleaced) which will hopefully be here on Monday. I'll gift the new win10 machine to my son!
No idea what I'm going to do when microsoft cease to support win7 next year?
For context, although not a geek or ever in the geek industry, I've used computers for a long time starting off with Dos and Win 3, Win95, Win 98, Win XP then Win 7 with a few versions of NT thrown in on the work machines here and there, no problems. I even got on quite well with windows 8 for a while! But for some reason I hate windows 10, really hate it.
It seems to be a theme of modern life or more likely that I'm turning into a grumpy old git, but things seem to be getting worse than they once were. Is it just me?
colin_p said:
It seems to be a theme of modern life or more likely that I'm turning into a grumpy old git, but things seem to be getting worse than they once were. Is it just me?

The best bit about windows 10 is that when it does an 'important' update 'please wait while we waste your time' it cleverly turns back on everything youve turned off
saaby93 said:
hehe:
The best bit about windows 10 is that when it does an 'important' update 'please wait while we waste your time' it cleverly turns back on everything youve turned off
Does it, the swines! The best bit about windows 10 is that when it does an 'important' update 'please wait while we waste your time' it cleverly turns back on everything youve turned off
eeLee said:
1) continue using your win7 laptop?
b) change happens.
iii) try an external mouse and keyboard
5) you would have gotten used to it
j) it's not just about win10
1) The coffee swamped dead laptop? Or do you mean the new (old) one I've ordered with good old Win7 on it that'll hopefully be here on Monday? b) change happens.
iii) try an external mouse and keyboard
5) you would have gotten used to it
j) it's not just about win10
b) Change does happen but common sense dictates that change should be for the better, not worse than what came before.
iii) External mouse and keyboard? How I am supposed to look at PH whilst watching Star Trek on Netflix? I am quite a large gentleman but even my muscled thighs / lap doesn't have room for those whilst sat on the sofa.
5) No, I'm fairly certain that I'd continue to hate it.
j) No, it really is all about that, well that and the stupid touchpad.
I've used computers for a long time starting off with Dos and Win 3, Win95, Win 98, Win XP then Win 7 with a few versions of NT thrown in on the work machines here and there, no problems. I even got on quite well with windows 8 for a while! But I have no problem with Windows 10 - i just didn't cheap out and buy a s
t low end laptop 
t low end laptop 
I'm not a geek either and, for general office work I preferred the 4x3 screen format of my old Thinkpad T61 so I stuck with it, running Windows 7, until it was 10yrs old. With an SSD it went OK, but it was starting to get embarrasing taking it to meetings.
So last year I got a Thinkpad T470 (and, of course, Windows10). I'm honestly annoyed with myself that I stuck with the old system for so long - the new set-up is great.
So last year I got a Thinkpad T470 (and, of course, Windows10). I'm honestly annoyed with myself that I stuck with the old system for so long - the new set-up is great.
this has the stylised touch pad
https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8437589
this doesnt
https://www.argos.co.uk/product/7989791
lovely touchpad and buttons
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T450-14...
T470 strong money
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T470-14...
https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8437589
this doesnt
https://www.argos.co.uk/product/7989791
lovely touchpad and buttons
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T450-14...
T470 strong money
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T470-14...
Edited by saaby93 on Friday 25th January 15:02
saaby93 said:
this has the stylised touch pad
https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8437589
this doesnt
https://www.argos.co.uk/product/7989791
lovely touchpad and buttons
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T450-14...
T470 strong money
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T470-14...
The one in the first link is the one I bought and the one I'm moaning about!https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8437589
this doesnt
https://www.argos.co.uk/product/7989791
lovely touchpad and buttons
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T450-14...
T470 strong money
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T470-14...
Edited by saaby93 on Friday 25th January 15:02
The spec looked good, my previous machine was made by them..... what could posssibly go wrong.
saaby93 said:
T470 strong money
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T470-14...
That's very similar to mine, except mine is an i5. I paid just under a grand although I found a discount code that helped.https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T470-14...
I'd be tempted to buy that at around the current price (£436) but then I might find myself in the same loop as I did with T61's - it was possible to pick up unused ones for years. We had 4 in the family at one time, one is still in daily use.
looks like the L580 and up have buttons
https://www.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops/c/LAPTOPS#typ...
Amazon is better for photos
https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_pg_2?fst=as%3Aof...
https://www.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops/c/LAPTOPS#typ...
Amazon is better for photos
https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_pg_2?fst=as%3Aof...
Edited by saaby93 on Friday 25th January 15:45
saaby93 said:
colin_p said:
It seems to be a theme of modern life or more likely that I'm turning into a grumpy old git, but things seem to be getting worse than they once were. Is it just me?

The best bit about windows 10 is that when it does an 'important' update 'please wait while we waste your time' it cleverly turns back on everything youve turned off
eeLee said:
iii) try an external mouse and keyboard
j) it's not just about win10
I've got an external keyboard with a pad. I use a small table to put both on, particularly when watching F1.j) it's not just about win10
I'm similar to a previous poster: I've had windows since 3.1 and upgraded fairly regularly, although missing NT and Vista, Come to that, I miss Win 2000.
I liked XP but went for 7 and then 8. Win 10 pro is the best Windows OS so far. It is bloated, it has too much stuff I don't want, but I like it.
I've a spare laptop that I'm going to put Chrome OS on, just to see, but not 'cause I think it's better, but 'cause I think I'll enjoy doing it.
MikeStroud said:
saaby93 said:
colin_p said:
It seems to be a theme of modern life or more likely that I'm turning into a grumpy old git, but things seem to be getting worse than they once were. Is it just me?

The best bit about windows 10 is that when it does an 'important' update 'please wait while we waste your time' it cleverly turns back on everything youve turned off
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Touch screen is also fantastic on a laptop as it means you rarely have the use the stupid touchpad.
On another thread I got called a grandad because I had the nerve to suggest I wasn't a fan of android. Well I guess we have the entire retirement home in this thread.