Cat6 Network Install - Just a continuity test to confirm ?
Cat6 Network Install - Just a continuity test to confirm ?
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TwistingMyMelon

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236 months

Thursday 14th February 2019
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Just getting quotes in for an office refurb data re-cable, straightforward 2 floor office 80 Network points with Cat6. I was happy with Cat5e, but all companies that have quoted have told me Cat6 is best option

Had one quote in and it was a lot ! But they will do a full transmission test on everything, proper data comms outfit, but very pricey....fall off chair pricey.

The electricians who are doing a re-wire on the building have quoted, its less than half the above. Its not "cheap" and inline with industry pricing of £30+ a port......

The electricians seem on the ball , good to deal with and Id rather have them do everything as its cheaper and they are organised.....it will be so much easier to use one contractor and there is a small window to do the refurb in.

..However they will only continuity test the installation, not perform a full transmission test, will this be good enough? Ive also got the line "never use electricians for data" resonating round my head!!

Im an ex PSTN phone engineer, so I guess I could hire a fluke for a week and fully test, or would asking the electricians to use Cat5e be better as its more fault tolerant and we have it working well already

Cheers in advance

sjg

7,686 posts

296 months

Thursday 14th February 2019
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Why would you pay the extra for cat6 cable (and presumably modules, patch panels, etc) if you're not going to get it installed and tested to cat6 standards?

roadsmash

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101 months

Thursday 14th February 2019
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Couple of points for you to consider if you haven’t already;

CAT 6 is probably the best option and the pricing between 6 and 5e is in my opinion acceptable for the increased performance.

Electricians will be cheaper but don’t count on them labelling up cables correctly (if at all) or even drawing you up a diagram.

The worst time for a network problem to happen is straight after a re-cable. If this happens you will wish you had labelling and a diagram.

Instead you’ll have to call them out for help... more £££.

A full transmission test is recommended on any building re-cable.

Don’t use electricians for data. smile

Suggest you get a couple more quotes from a proper company, there’s plenty of companies out there who will quote you competitively.

TwistingMyMelon

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Thursday 14th February 2019
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I agree, im presuming it will be installed to Cat6 standards but not fully tested to Cat6, hence my dilemma and asking for advice

TwistingMyMelon

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roadsmash said:
Couple of points for you to consider if you haven’t already;

CAT 6 is probably the best option and the pricing between 6 and 5e is in my opinion acceptable for the increased performance.

Electricians will be cheaper but don’t count on them labelling up cables correctly (if at all) or even drawing you up a diagram.

The worst time for a network problem to happen is straight after a re-cable. If this happens you will wish you had labelling and a diagram.

Instead you’ll have to call them out for help... more £££.

A full transmission test is recommended on any building re-cable.

Don’t use electricians for data. smile

Suggest you get a couple more quotes from a proper company, there’s plenty of companies out there who will quote you competitively.
Cheers, thats kind of what I am thinking , just a pain as it would be easier and cheaper to use them!

Flipatron

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229 months

Thursday 14th February 2019
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Should be Pentascanned to show true performance, I wouldn't deal with anyone that doesn't.

You should be paying around £40-60 per outlet depending on the environment they're being installed in.

PM me if you need any assistance.

TwistingMyMelon

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Cheers PM sent

Thanks for all the replies, working on my own on the project , so good to hear my concerns backed up, as no one to bounce ideas off!


megaphone

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282 months

Friday 15th February 2019
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I just had some electricians do a small office, about 20 points back to a patch panel. The patch panel is a mess, I'll have to re do it, the outlets jacks are ok but not to standard. They all 'test' out ok with a simple point to point meter, fortunately it is all used for basic office stuff so gigabit speeds are not really required.

Australiam

277 posts

160 months

Friday 15th February 2019
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TwistingMyMelon said:
Cheers PM sent

Thanks for all the replies, working on my own on the project , so good to hear my concerns backed up, as no one to bounce ideas off!
Looks like you have what you need for now. However, if you are ever looking for somebody to bounce ideas with, let me know and you can always speak with one of our team.

xeny

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109 months

Friday 15th February 2019
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roadsmash said:
CAT 6 is probably the best option and the pricing between 6 and 5e is in my opinion acceptable for the increased performance.
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What do you see as 6 giving you over 5e? the 55m of supported 10GbaseT ? I've been tending to specify 5e or 6a depending if I ever see the site needing 10G to the desktop - am I missing an obvious piece of reasoning?

TwistingMyMelon

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Australiam said:
TwistingMyMelon said:
Cheers PM sent

Thanks for all the replies, working on my own on the project , so good to hear my concerns backed up, as no one to bounce ideas off!
Looks like you have what you need for now. However, if you are ever looking for somebody to bounce ideas with, let me know and you can always speak with one of our team.
Cheers for that

TwistingMyMelon

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xeny said:
roadsmash said:
CAT 6 is probably the best option and the pricing between 6 and 5e is in my opinion acceptable for the increased performance.
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What do you see as 6 giving you over 5e? the 55m of supported 10GbaseT ? I've been tending to specify 5e or 6a depending if I ever see the site needing 10G to the desktop - am I missing an obvious piece of reasoning?
I agree, when I got quotes I said 5e would be fine, bar a couple of outlets that we run IP cameras from (as the HD quality is getting better year on year), everyone who quoted said they just do 6 now. Thinking through its a decent length lease so its worth future proofing



roadsmash

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101 months

Friday 15th February 2019
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xeny said:
roadsmash said:
CAT 6 is probably the best option and the pricing between 6 and 5e is in my opinion acceptable for the increased performance.
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What do you see as 6 giving you over 5e? the 55m of supported 10GbaseT ? I've been tending to specify 5e or 6a depending if I ever see the site needing 10G to the desktop - am I missing an obvious piece of reasoning?
Simply that re-cabling an entire site with CAT5e just isn’t best practice anymore.