Jony Ive leaving Apple

[ajprice]

https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/27/18761736/jony-i...

He's leaving Apple after nearly 30 years there to start a design company with Marc Newson called LoveFrom. Their first client? Apple

[alorotom]

That’s a surprise ... guess life after Jobs and under an accountant isn’t working for him - he’s given it a fair bash though!

[abzmike]

Given the glacial evolution of Apple products, he might have been getting bored. There hasn’t been much designing going on.

[hyphen]

ajprice said:

Their first client? Apple

That's just PR fluff so apple shares don't drop too bad, he probably has a couple of shares to sell yet.

[thebraketester]

abzmike said:

Given the glacial evolution of Apple products, he might have been getting bored. There hasn’t been much designing going on.

It does feel like we are being drip fed technology at the moment.

[alorotom]

hyphen said:

ajprice said:

Their first client? Apple

That's just PR fluff so apple shares don't drop too bad, he probably has a couple of shares to sell yet.

Only
$9bn wiped off the market cap lol

[zippy3x]

I just assumed he's gone contracting so he can afford one of those monitor stands

[Mr Pointy]

Why does everyone think he is a genius?

• Macs with crap keyboards that get permanently borked by a speck of dust
• The dustbin Mac Pro - utter garbage
• An IPhone you can't use left handed as you short the antenna out
• The iPhone notch - tripe
• Thousand dollar monitor stands
• The Touchbar - hateful device
• Multiple proprietary connectors - a proven dead end if the iPhone goes to USB-C as suggested
• In general the most planet unfriendly, unrepairable devices ever designed

He's like those wky rock star architects that build massive skyscrapers that are a nightmare to work in & maintain.

[RumbleOfThunder]

Mr Pointy said:

Why does everyone think he is a genius?

• Macs with crap keyboards that get permanently borked by a speck of dust
• The dustbin Mac Pro - utter garbage
• An IPhone you can't use left handed as you short the antenna out
• The iPhone notch - tripe
• Thousand dollar monitor stands
• The Touchbar - hateful device
• Multiple proprietary connectors - a proven dead end if the iPhone goes to USB-C as suggested
• In general the most planet unfriendly, unrepairable devices ever designed

He's like those wky rock star architects that build massive skyscrapers that are a nightmare to work in & maintain.

Most if not all of those "issues" will have been out of his control. You don't really know what you're talking about mate.

[Mr Pointy]

RumbleOfThunder said:

Mr Pointy said:

Why does everyone think he is a genius?

• Macs with crap keyboards that get permanently borked by a speck of dust
• The dustbin Mac Pro - utter garbage
• An IPhone you can't use left handed as you short the antenna out
• The iPhone notch - tripe
• Thousand dollar monitor stands
• The Touchbar - hateful device
• Multiple proprietary connectors - a proven dead end if the iPhone goes to USB-C as suggested
• In general the most planet unfriendly, unrepairable devices ever designed

He's like those wky rock star architects that build massive skyscrapers that are a nightmare to work in & maintain.

Most if not all of those "issues" will have been out of his control. You don't really know what you're talking about mate.

Is he not in overall charge of the design direction? Which of them are not design-led issues?

[Brainpox]

Mr Pointy said:

RumbleOfThunder said:

Mr Pointy said:

Why does everyone think he is a genius?

• Macs with crap keyboards that get permanently borked by a speck of dust
• The dustbin Mac Pro - utter garbage
• An IPhone you can't use left handed as you short the antenna out
• The iPhone notch - tripe
• Thousand dollar monitor stands
• The Touchbar - hateful device
• Multiple proprietary connectors - a proven dead end if the iPhone goes to USB-C as suggested
• In general the most planet unfriendly, unrepairable devices ever designed

He's like those wky rock star architects that build massive skyscrapers that are a nightmare to work in & maintain.

Most if not all of those "issues" will have been out of his control. You don't really know what you're talking about mate.

Is he not in overall charge of the design direction? Which of them are not design-led issues?

The keyboard, iPhone 4 antenna, notch, monitor stand price, touchbar, proprietary connectors and ease of repairability would all be either engineering or financial decisions. I suspect the Mac Pro design was engineered too as it was all based around a central thermal core, and I expect Ive had most input on the outside bit.

Engineers and money people decide what goes in and the designer tries to make it look pretty.

[Beati Dogu]

Perhaps he's run out of things to remove.

[Slushbox]

Think the Trashcan/Spittoon Mac Pro fandango was probably the final straw.

Still, some people like Macs. Something about paying more, for less. Macs make everything better, even if you can't tell the final deliverable apart from the same thing produced on a fifty quid Ebay ThinkPad.

Charlie Brooker wrote that Macs just make people insufferable. Seems to get more apt by the year. Like those virtue-signallers who append 'Sent from my iPhone' to everything.

Mr Booker writes:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/feb...

~~~

Sent from my fax machine, with a new ribbon.

[pip t]

Slushbox said:

Think the Trashcan/Spittoon Mac Pro fandango was probably the final straw.

Still, some people like Macs. Something about paying more, for less. Macs make everything better, even if you can't tell the final deliverable apart from the same thing produced on a fifty quid Ebay ThinkPad.

I bought my first Mac in 2011. It still works, perfectly, and at the same speed as it did then. And it’s not some desk bound, pampered machine, it’s been roundly abused in very ‘unfriendly to a laptop’ environments. Its operating system still gets regular security updates, and up until last year, it could still deal with the latest operating system. So yes, it was expensive, more expensive than a comparable PC, but it’s earned it’s keep.

My experience of using Windows laptops prior to that was that they had nowhere near that level of robustness or longevity. Maybe I was just unlucky with Windows machines and lucky with Macs, but that’s my experience.

[quote]Charlie Brooker wrote that Macs just make people insufferable. Seems to get more apt by the year.
Like those virtue-signallers who append 'Sent from my iPhone' to everything.

That’s not virtue signalling, that’s just not bothering to change the default signature. An entertaining article though, and I’m sure there’s a degree of truth in the Mac user stereotype in some or many cases.

I’m not saying Macs are perfect - the ridiculous DongleBook Pro era irritates me enormously, as does the stupid keyboard, but in my experience there is a genuine level of quality and reliability that isn’t there in most Windows laptops. Not to mention the two hours I lost in a fairly critical situation when a Windows 10 machine decided that now was the moment to install updates and there was no way of stopping it....

Edited by pip t on Saturday 29th June 00:43

Edited by pip t on Saturday 29th June 00:44

[Brainpox]

pip t said:

I’m not saying Macs are perfect - the ridiculous DongleBook Pro era irritates me enormously, as does the stupid keyboard, but in my experience there is a genuine level of quality and reliability that isn’t there in most Windows laptops. Not to mention the two hours I lost in a fairly critical situation when a Windows 10 machine decided that now was the moment to install updates and there was no way of stopping it....

I wouldn't waste too much time defending your choice, I suspect there may be a troll.

You're alluding to a point though, that it isn't the hardware that distinguishes Apple too much anymore, as many manufacturers have finally caught up in this respect, but the software. By default, Windows can be obtrusive, where as macOS just does its thing in the background. Unfortunately the only (proper) way to get macOS is to buy an Apple product, so you're stuck. But if you need it for work then the extra cost can be easily justified.

[AJB88]

pip t said:

I bought my first Mac in 2011. It still works, perfectly, and at the same speed as it did then. And it’s not some desk bound, pampered machine, it’s been roundly abused in very ‘unfriendly to a laptop’ environments. Its operating system still gets regular security updates, and up until last year, it could still deal with the latest operating system. So yes, it was expensive, more expensive than a comparable PC, but it’s earned it’s keep.

My experience of using Windows laptops prior to that was that they had nowhere near that level of robustness or longevity. Maybe I was just unlucky with Windows machines and lucky with Macs, but that’s my experience.

How often do we see this comparison on here, my £200 Windows laptop was poor so I paid £1200 for a Macbook and guess what? its soo much better.

I had a 2010 MBP which worked, I had however upgraded it to 8gb ram and SSD, it stopped getting OS updates, I replaced it with a £800 (i5, SSD, 8gb ram) Dell XPS 13 Ubuntu edition and its just as good, It's metal on outside and some wierd feeling carbon fibre style on the inside.

Edited by AJB88 on Saturday 29th June 08:51

[Coolbanana]

Mr Pointy said:

Is he not in overall charge of the design direction? Which of them are not design-led issues?

I think what Apple are crying out for is some random bloke on a car forum to teach them how to be successful in their design department so that they might be a successful company overall. Honestly, get your CV over to them now, they need a new chief designer so timing is ideal. I'm sure you'll be able to tell them where they have gone wrong and fix all the many issues you've identified. Perhaps Apple will, finally, become a half-decent company and sell a device or two.

[Slushbox]

^^^

Dan Chung, chief executive and head of investments at Alger, a longtime Apple shareholder in New York:

“Sad to see J.I. go. [But] giving an opportunity for talent to step up and shine might be better for the company.”

[pip t]

AJB88 said:

How often do we see this comparison on here, my £200 Windows laptop was poor so I paid £1200 for a Macbook and guess what? its soo much better.

Edited by AJB88 on Saturday 29th June 08:51

Just for clarity, the Windows machines I referred to were decently specced, decent brand machines (This was some while ago so I can’t remember specifics, but one was a high end Toshiba I think).

I’m well aware of the fallacy of comparing a £200 PC World special with a £1200 Mac.

[Mr Pointy]

Coolbanana said:

Mr Pointy said:

Is he not in overall charge of the design direction? Which of them are not design-led issues?

I think what Apple are crying out for is some random bloke on a car forum to teach them how to be successful in their design department so that they might be a successful company overall. Honestly, get your CV over to them now, they need a new chief designer so timing is ideal. I'm sure you'll be able to tell them where they have gone wrong and fix all the many issues you've identified. Perhaps Apple will, finally, become a half-decent company and sell a device or two.

Ah, here we go, a personal attack instead of responding to any of the points I've made - you know some of the stuff Apple has designed is crap & expensive crap at that.

• Apple has always persued thinness in their products - this must have been a design directive from very high up. To achieve this they abandoned any interest in repairability or recylability - Apple products are regularly called out as the least repairable available in the market. It's an appallingly damaging (for the planet's resources) decision to have made. A truly great design lead would have fought at board level for the products should be made repairable. Maybe he did, & lost.

• The Mac Pro dustbin. Even the previous Pro didn't take into account basic considerations of how it might be used - it was too tall to rack mount as it was 20" high (I built loads of them into edit suites). The dustbin was even worse & was only saved because FCP was ditched & no-one bought the dustbin. That's basic, high level design direction (how are our users going to use our product). The detailed design of the case catches & the like was fantastic, but utterly the wrong place to focus on. Are you suggesting Ive never saw the dustbin before it went on sale? I think that's unlikley.

I can't be arsed to put any further examples as the fanboi element are the tech equivalent of flat earthers but I truly do question the Apple design hype. Maybe you think his high point is the lovely smooth way a new iPhone box slides open or his contribution to racially diverse poop emojis?