5G, how will it pan out ?
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I nearly bought an Iphone Pro the other night but was doing some research and realised it doesnt have 5G, and that next years new model will do.
Now, I am not all that bothered but if I keep it three years or so, will 5G actually make any difference ? On a phone I typically dont watch films, Spotify works ok and have no complaints about 4G but it did seem a bit of an omission on a £1149 device and probably no great hardship to wait until next year.
I did read on here that 5G will change traditional Fibre and phone line based broadband so devices or your router just connects to the 5G network rather than via a cable.
Interested to hear more about 5G generally.
Now, I am not all that bothered but if I keep it three years or so, will 5G actually make any difference ? On a phone I typically dont watch films, Spotify works ok and have no complaints about 4G but it did seem a bit of an omission on a £1149 device and probably no great hardship to wait until next year.
I did read on here that 5G will change traditional Fibre and phone line based broadband so devices or your router just connects to the 5G network rather than via a cable.
Interested to hear more about 5G generally.
J4CKO said:
I nearly bought an Iphone Pro the other night but was doing some research and realised it doesnt have 5G, and that next years new model will do.
Now, I am not all that bothered but if I keep it three years or so, will 5G actually make any difference ? On a phone I typically dont watch films, Spotify works ok and have no complaints about 4G but it did seem a bit of an omission on a £1149 device and probably no great hardship to wait until next year.
I did read on here that 5G will change traditional Fibre and phone line based broadband so devices or your router just connects to the 5G network rather than via a cable.
Interested to hear more about 5G generally.
will retain value better than 'just' 4g phones...Now, I am not all that bothered but if I keep it three years or so, will 5G actually make any difference ? On a phone I typically dont watch films, Spotify works ok and have no complaints about 4G but it did seem a bit of an omission on a £1149 device and probably no great hardship to wait until next year.
I did read on here that 5G will change traditional Fibre and phone line based broadband so devices or your router just connects to the 5G network rather than via a cable.
Interested to hear more about 5G generally.
I bought a note 10+5g and until EE get serious about offering decent tariffs (especially where 5g is so unavilable) I won't be adopting it anytime soon. Even where they say they've started rollout to London, and other major cities it appears its only in certain areas - not widespread.
Edited by bonerp on Thursday 17th October 13:13
J4CKO said:
I did read on here that 5G will change traditional Fibre and phone line based broadband so devices or your router just connects to the 5G network rather than via a cable.
Interested to hear more about 5G generally.
That's what I'm waiting for seeing a BT/Openreach don't seem to be able to give me anything more than 20 Mbps on "Fibre" (to the cabinet) and typically nearer 15 Mbps most days. I would change to a 4G router but based on what my phone can give I don't think it would be much better than BT but with the risk of outages, signal quality issues etc. Unfortunately I think I'm going to be waiting for a few years yet. Could be the death of twisted pair copper lines into you house though unless there's something more they can do with them. Not holding my breath for proper fibre to be put into my house. Interested to hear more about 5G generally.
There is lots of noise about 5G implying that it'll cure world hunger and make everything a better (as well as kicking off conspiracy theorists). The reality is that yes you'll get faster speeds, but most people don't need it as 4G is more than enough to stream HD content if that's your thing. The rollout is a massive undertaking as the range is less and as such requires more (admittedly smaller and easier to install) base stations.
It will be interesting to see which way Openreach goes, as they are busily installing FTTP in the 'black spots' not reached by good speeds from other infrastructure but as mentioned they still need lots of base stations to get anywhere near the coverage required.
To the original question: I don't think it matters at the moment whether the new iPhones have 5G or not.
It will be interesting to see which way Openreach goes, as they are busily installing FTTP in the 'black spots' not reached by good speeds from other infrastructure but as mentioned they still need lots of base stations to get anywhere near the coverage required.
To the original question: I don't think it matters at the moment whether the new iPhones have 5G or not.
5G is the solution to the problem that has not yet been invented. Which does not mean it won't come. Our government is keen on an early rollout as it will bring R&D to this country. Probably people thought the same about 4G, but it has brought services such as Uber, Spotify, etc which 3G would not have supported.
The industry believe that the real growth will be the IoT - Internet of Things. This already exists in a form - vending machines telling base when they need a top-up for example. One of the beliefs is that to enable driverless cars they will have to communicate very quickly as to where they are and what they are doing. The next issue will be latency in the backhall (from the mast to the data center), and the talk is moving the computing power to the EDGE. Whether that is in regional centre, or even a server at each basestation has yet to be addressed. The Operators are all heavily invested in traditional server type technology. This is going to take a huge investment as they try and virtualise the hardware.
The industry is in a state of flux at the moment. The Operators are rolling out 5G mainly on the sites that they already own, and getting greater range by putting plenty of power into the transmitters. The safety exclusion zones are huge. That works for a while, but they will need to infill gaps in 5G coverage, especially when the faster millimeter wave is launched at a higher bandwidth, but with poorer range.
Currently the industry is trying to argue away their obligations to provide rural coverage to not spots as agreed in the last 5G tender (they will launch a joint venture company to provide the build instead), have persuaded the government to consult on widening planning rights to get around awkward local planners, and with their Landlords, where they are trying to slash rents by 95% +. Its not winning friends with the current landlords - new landlords just are not interested in the hassle.
In summary - it will be 3 or 4 years until I need 5G on my handset.
The industry believe that the real growth will be the IoT - Internet of Things. This already exists in a form - vending machines telling base when they need a top-up for example. One of the beliefs is that to enable driverless cars they will have to communicate very quickly as to where they are and what they are doing. The next issue will be latency in the backhall (from the mast to the data center), and the talk is moving the computing power to the EDGE. Whether that is in regional centre, or even a server at each basestation has yet to be addressed. The Operators are all heavily invested in traditional server type technology. This is going to take a huge investment as they try and virtualise the hardware.
The industry is in a state of flux at the moment. The Operators are rolling out 5G mainly on the sites that they already own, and getting greater range by putting plenty of power into the transmitters. The safety exclusion zones are huge. That works for a while, but they will need to infill gaps in 5G coverage, especially when the faster millimeter wave is launched at a higher bandwidth, but with poorer range.
Currently the industry is trying to argue away their obligations to provide rural coverage to not spots as agreed in the last 5G tender (they will launch a joint venture company to provide the build instead), have persuaded the government to consult on widening planning rights to get around awkward local planners, and with their Landlords, where they are trying to slash rents by 95% +. Its not winning friends with the current landlords - new landlords just are not interested in the hassle.
In summary - it will be 3 or 4 years until I need 5G on my handset.
Probably more industry and home use than mobile consumer going to benefit from what I read and as mentioned above. Of course Kevin from EE is shouting how good it is, they need to sell something to get back the loot they paid for the licences.
Not sure how they would get the same coverage out of the metropolitan area's. Certainly would not be on my must have list. I would like to get 3g and 4g working well where I live (big estate, been here for years). There is even a blank spot in the middle where not a lot works.
Not sure how they would get the same coverage out of the metropolitan area's. Certainly would not be on my must have list. I would like to get 3g and 4g working well where I live (big estate, been here for years). There is even a blank spot in the middle where not a lot works.
surveyor said:
5G is the solution to the problem that has not yet been invented. ...........
In summary - it will be 3 or 4 years until I need 5G on my handset.
That's my read of it too - and I don't have your knowledge/experience. Seems a bit mad that people are frothing at the mouth over it but don't really understand what it is or why they need it.In summary - it will be 3 or 4 years until I need 5G on my handset.
I've also read that 5G performance is very dependent on how close you are to the transmitter - if there's a building in the way, for example, it's pretty hopeless (at the moment).
I have read that the attenuation issues with 5g could be an issue. I would like to get a definitive answer though. No good having a local aerial and the brickwork in your home will make it patchy. Which raises what option for home use.
Personally I would always hard wire a device anyway where the option is viable for home use.
Personally I would always hard wire a device anyway where the option is viable for home use.
Zirconia said:
I have read that the attenuation issues with 5g could be an issue. I would like to get a definitive answer though. No good having a local aerial and the brickwork in your home will make it patchy. Which raises what option for home use.
Personally I would always hard wire a device anyway where the option is viable for home use.
Mostly you'll need some sort of device similar to a modem to receive 5G inside a house and bigger buildings will need their own 5G radio.Personally I would always hard wire a device anyway where the option is viable for home use.
NDA said:
surveyor said:
5G is the solution to the problem that has not yet been invented. ...........
In summary - it will be 3 or 4 years until I need 5G on my handset.
That's my read of it too - and I don't have your knowledge/experience. Seems a bit mad that people are frothing at the mouth over it but don't really understand what it is or why they need it.In summary - it will be 3 or 4 years until I need 5G on my handset.
I've also read that 5G performance is very dependent on how close you are to the transmitter - if there's a building in the way, for example, it's pretty hopeless (at the moment).
Sheepshanks said:
Mostly you'll need some sort of device similar to a modem to receive 5G inside a house and bigger buildings will need their own 5G radio.
Distribution wise, I read it as wifi from a transceiver was an option. Meaning something akin to a base station in the home to redistribute on whatever g is purchased in a plan (5g to keep the bandwidth) or a fibre option to the home, which at the moment is rather thin on the ground for the claimed bandwidth gains.Must have another look out of interest. Broadcast industry is already looking at uses.
C0ffin D0dger said:
BT/Openreach don't seem to be able to give me anything more than 20 Mbps on "Fibre" (to the cabinet) and typically nearer 15 Mbps most days.
To give you a view on what you might expect, im currently using Smarty (3 mobile) for my home broadband with a mifi gadget. I can only get 3G but get a consistent 19meg down / 3meg up . Id expect to at least double that if i could get a decent 4g signal. Very cost effective at £18.75 a month on a rolling 1 month contract with unlimited data and no need for a phone line
I'm not holding breath on this - bearing in mind we're only about 200 metres from the base station, and, according to the coverage map, should have good indoor 4G reception, it'd be nice if half the calls I get didn't go to answerphone rather than ringing. Looking at my phone right now I've got one bar of 3G signal.
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