HDMI distribution over IP network

[LooneyTunes]

Was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for an HDMI over IP solution?

Ideally looking for:
True IP solution (i.e. not HDMI over Cat5/6) so that I can pass through existing network
One to many distribution of a single input (probably 4 endpoints)
4k capable
Compact receiver units (so they can mount behind wall mounted TVs)
POE powered receivers to avoid needing extra plug sockets

I've seen a 1080 one on Amazon that looks similar but the description makes me worry that the clarity of the instructions could leave a little to be desired.

Would prefer not to use HDMI over dedicated Cat5/6 as it'd mean pulling quite a bit of extra cabling to a couple of the locations.

Any suggestions would be really appreciated.

[robbieduncan]

I have an HDAnywhere solution. But that's over dedicated Cat6 so not the solution you want. However it might suffice if you are simply worried about losing network connections in the rooms: it has 100Mb ethernet over the same link. Note this is shared bandwidth though (as there is only 1 network connection to the HDAnywhere hub.

[LooneyTunes]

Appreciate the response, but I think I really do need an IP system (at a push I could work with something that has a gigabit pass through) as otherwise it’ll compromise other services running on the network.

[BigMon]

Have you had a look on the Lindy website? This sounds like something that would be right up their street.

[coach]

I would convert to NDI

[Mr Pointy]

LooneyTunes said:

Appreciate the response, but I think I really do need an IP system (at a push I could work with something that has a gigabit pass through) as otherwise it’ll compromise other services running on the network.

You'll probably do that anyway as the the one-to-many will be operating as a mulitcast so unless you VLAN the switch ports connected to these extenders everything will be getting the traffic. It's unlikely you'll find a 4K encoder as even the 1080P ones need to compress the signal to get it down a single CAT5/6 cable.

By far the best solution with most chance of working is to pull new dedicated networks cables & connect them to a video-only switch. Mixing it in with general network traffic is asking for trouble.

[paulrockliffe]

Not looked at options for this in ages, so thought I'd click some links - wow that's some expensive stuff!

Whats the source?

Have you considered introducing a delay to the viewing and using video capture to record to a Plex-type setup, then stream as required?

I took my TV aerial out as it was inside my loft and I turned it into a room, so we've not watched a bean of broadcast TV in 18 months now, so can't envisage a scenario where we would pay hundreds of pounds per viewing point to watch the tiny proportion of stuff we can't easily stream - it's basically just Channel 4 as their app is terrible!

[Mr Pointy]

paulrockliffe said:

I took my TV aerial out as it was inside my loft and I turned it into a room, so we've not watched a bean of broadcast TV in 18 months now, so can't envisage a scenario where we would pay hundreds of pounds per viewing point to watch the tiny proportion of stuff we can't easily stream - it's basically just Channel 4 as their app is terrible!

IPTV distribution systems like this don't make much sense in a domestic environment but they are widely implemented in industrial/commercial settings. The most common place you'll see them is in point of sale displays but I've put them into office environments & broadcast operations.

[anonymous-user]

As Mr Pointy said "systems like this don't make much sense in a domestic environment"

What you probably want is called SDVoE so start your journey here:
https://www.zeevee.com/products/av-over-ip/encoder...

But, to do it right:
You need a multi gigabit LAN to corporate IT standards (Jumboframes, MPLS, Non blocking)
You probably need a domain controller and platform manager
You may as well do audio distribution for the bathroom so you probably need DANTE AES67 compatibility
You may as well link all your mobile devices and laptops wirelessly so you probably need a BYOD gateway
You need something to control the interface. Crestron, AMX, Extron or Control4 (at a push)
EDID and HDCP management will cause you a whole world of pain
You need deep pockets. You may have these but I mean proper burning £50 notes for fun deep.

If you want true, uncompressed 4K (4K60 4:4:4), than you need to allow 18Gbps (yes 18 GIGABITS) per link. In reality on anything other than a fibre LAN all 4K gets compressed to some extent (despite what the man in the shiny suit tells you). Some of the compression algorithms are superb and you can get what looks like 4K down a Gigabit but I tend to allow 4Gbps per link.

I design this stuff for hotels, hospitals, corporate, education and military projects. It is not uncommon to see AV budgets of over half a million, often a fair bit more. These clients will follow the RIBA plan of works, agree what they want, tender the works, get the installed systems witness tested, implement maintenance packages and train their staff on how to use it. They don't phone up on a Sunday morning because Tarquin or Tiffany can't patch YouTube from their phone to the 65" inch screen in the ensuite.

As you can guess I don't touch domestic projects but I’m happy to point anyone on PH in the right direction if they want to have a go.