How to get Fibre into your home
How to get Fibre into your home
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anonymous-user

Original Poster:

84 months

Thursday 20th August 2020
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Hi all

I currently with BT and my telephone wires are old but working fine is there a way of getting them to replace the wires with new fibre as a free repair rather than a new installation at my cost?

Thanks in advance

Murph7355

42,016 posts

286 months

Thursday 20th August 2020
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You've never dealt with BT have you...

You have a phone service that's working, will they upgrade to fibre for free = no.

Slackline

411 posts

164 months

Thursday 20th August 2020
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It's even harder as BT don't own the lines... And Openreach won't tell you when they're planning to upgrade an area.

If one of the other line owners, such as Virgin for example, run past yours then it will be much simpler.

matchmaker

9,069 posts

230 months

Thursday 20th August 2020
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I got an e-mail from BT a couple of weeks ago - Would I like to upgrade to Full Fibre at only a few pounds a month more than I was paying for FTTC? Seemed like a no brainer so I booked an engineer appointment for today. His visit lasted the best part of a minute - there is no Openreach fibre into the building.

I'm now trying to negotiate a large discount on my current FTTC broadband...

V8 Stang

4,510 posts

213 months

Thursday 20th August 2020
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You should just think yourself lucky that you have a working phone line/broadband.

I moved into my house in March, and still do not have a working phone line/broadband........

To say they are hopeless is an understatement!

Ive pretty much given up now, TBH getting 10mbps through a 4G router is sufficient.

steveatesh

5,369 posts

194 months

Thursday 20th August 2020
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I can’t get fibre at all and the open reach checker says no plans for my postcode.......

I do manage about 8mb broadband on a good day though........ rolleyes

Matt_E_Mulsion

1,746 posts

95 months

Thursday 20th August 2020
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It took Openreach/BT three months to reconnect my line and get my broadband working, but that's another story.

I live in a village up a track a few hundred meters from the road and have what I believe is old copper cable strung across four telegraph poles until it reaches my house. That said I can pull almost 70Mb on the download which I think is fantastic. I don't live far from the telephone exchange though.

bristolbaron

5,383 posts

242 months

Thursday 20th August 2020
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We signed up to BT in the December of moving into our house. Quiet area, 10 houses, with only another 10 or so nearby. At the time our phone line was thought to be from the 70’s! We had a new cooper cable fitted as there were no plans for fibre.

2 months later Openreach guys were outside installing a new pole. I went out and asked what for - ‘you’re getting FTTP around here, seems pointless for such a small area, but that’s what they’re doing these days’.

We went from 2.8mbps to 108 for an extra £2 per month laugh

LooneyTunes

9,477 posts

188 months

Thursday 20th August 2020
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Slackline said:
It's even harder as BT don't own the lines... And Openreach won't tell you when they're planning to upgrade an area.

If one of the other line owners, such as Virgin for example, run past yours then it will be much simpler.
There is an area list that gives a clue for some rural locations. Can’t find the official release, but list is on here: https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/01/open...

If you’re not getting upgraded then you can request it as a custom install, but it often costs a lot more than free.

page3

5,203 posts

281 months

Thursday 20th August 2020
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I’ve had no internet or phone for 7 days now and even getting BT to fix that is an uphill struggle!

rxe

6,700 posts

133 months

Thursday 20th August 2020
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Star link is going to be wonderful and it will be the end of these ste service broadband companies.

Tony1963

5,808 posts

192 months

Thursday 20th August 2020
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rxe said:
Star link is going to be wonderful and it will be the end of these ste service broadband companies.
I’d wager a tenner that similar ste companies will be involved at some point, and they’re who you’ll be dealing with.

AJB88

15,916 posts

201 months

Friday 21st August 2020
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Nice try, trying to get free FTTP.... no chance.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

84 months

Friday 21st August 2020
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I'm hearing some bad reports about BT on here. . . . if you have an unresolved issue with them, why not just cancel your DD and bet they deal with you as a matter of urgency

robbieduncan

1,993 posts

266 months

Friday 21st August 2020
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rxe said:
Star link is going to be wonderful and it will be the end of these ste service broadband companies.
Depends if you are happy with FTTC speeds with higher latencies? Current numbers are in the range 30-60 mbps down, 5-18 up and average latencies in the 30-50ms range.

eein

1,565 posts

295 months

Friday 21st August 2020
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You can force FTTP, but you have to set youself up as an ISP and do it for your whole neighbourhood. I've been looking at it recently - all the costs and regulations are very clearly stated on the openreach website, right down to monthly fees for renting space on their poles.

Starlink will be amusing to watch it's hype and then failure to live up to it. It is to satellite broadband what WAP was to mobile broadband.


Slackline

411 posts

164 months

Friday 21st August 2020
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eein said:
You can force FTTP, but you have to set youself up as an ISP and do it for your whole neighbourhood. I've been looking at it recently - all the costs and regulations are very clearly stated on the openreach website, right down to monthly fees for renting space on their poles.
Interesting... I had a quick look and couldn't see any info on this, do you have a link please?

annodomini2

6,973 posts

281 months

Saturday 22nd August 2020
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Slackline said:
eein said:
You can force FTTP, but you have to set youself up as an ISP and do it for your whole neighbourhood. I've been looking at it recently - all the costs and regulations are very clearly stated on the openreach website, right down to monthly fees for renting space on their poles.
Interesting... I had a quick look and couldn't see any info on this, do you have a link please?
The costs typically outweigh the return, why do you think all the cable companies went to pot.

I get the impression, Openreach want local businesses to pocket the cost and Openreach buy up the remnants (for very cheap or free) when they go bust.

The pole rental stuff looks to be a key part of it, once company goes bust, all the fibre is sat on poles building up rent debt, Openreach offer to administrators, give us the infrastructure and we'll wipe out the debt.

eein

1,565 posts

295 months

Saturday 22nd August 2020
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Slackline said:
eein said:
You can force FTTP, but you have to set youself up as an ISP and do it for your whole neighbourhood. I've been looking at it recently - all the costs and regulations are very clearly stated on the openreach website, right down to monthly fees for renting space on their poles.
Interesting... I had a quick look and couldn't see any info on this, do you have a link please?
This is one of the places you can read and tackle it:
https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband/communit...

Then you can root around their website and somewhere there's pdfs will the detailed charges to rent all the things you need.

It's not particularly simple - you need to know all the things you need. And you have to set it up on a community level, so you're really setting up a business. Like all businesses there'd be hard work, need for some knowledge. It's not a scam by openreach, it is how they help avoid more regulation by showing ofcom that anyone can do it themselves, and the few that do help contribute to their targets.

When I looked at it earlier in the year (good lockdown activity) I reckoned I could set up a small community for about £50k, not including labour. I have the knowledge though which is a bit of an advantage and something I wouldn't have to pay for. I didn't get round to working out what I'd need to charge others to cover the ongoing costs.

Then I got a bit carried away and worked out that if I increase the initial outlay to approx £100k I could wire everyone up with 1:1 100Gbps connections! I was wondering whether I could set a world record for broadband. Of course no-one would actually get that speed on real activities as the connection into the network in the exchange would not be anything like that. But details like that don't stop all the ISPs claiming all sorts of mis-represented numbers.

It's a shame more people don't do this as it'd really help get broadband out there. The US really took to this with their 'mom and pop ISP' culture (there's 100k's of them in the US).

eein

1,565 posts

295 months

Saturday 22nd August 2020
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eein said:
Slackline said:
eein said:
You can force FTTP, but you have to set youself up as an ISP and do it for your whole neighbourhood. I've been looking at it recently - all the costs and regulations are very clearly stated on the openreach website, right down to monthly fees for renting space on their poles.
Interesting... I had a quick look and couldn't see any info on this, do you have a link please?
This is one of the places you can read and tackle it:
https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband/communit...

Then you can root around their website and somewhere there's pdfs will the detailed charges to rent all the things you need.

It's not particularly simple - you need to know all the things you need. And you have to set it up on a community level, so you're really setting up a business. Like all businesses there'd be hard work, need for some knowledge. It's not a scam by openreach, it is how they help avoid more regulation by showing ofcom that anyone can do it themselves, and the few that do help contribute to their targets.

When I looked at it earlier in the year (good lockdown activity) I reckoned I could set up a small community for about £50k, not including labour. I have the knowledge though which is a bit of an advantage and something I wouldn't have to pay for. I didn't get round to working out what I'd need to charge others to cover the ongoing costs.

Then I got a bit carried away and worked out that if I increase the initial outlay to approx £100k I could wire everyone up with 1:1 100Gbps connections! I was wondering whether I could set a world record for broadband. Of course no-one would actually get that speed on real activities as the connection into the network in the exchange would not be anything like that. But details like that don't stop all the ISPs claiming all sorts of mis-represented numbers.

It's a shame more people don't do this as it'd really help get broadband out there. The US really took to this with their 'mom and pop ISP' culture (there's 100k's of them in the US).
Here's a page about the infra rent:
https://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/products/duc...

the pages around that part of the site have lots of good info.