LCD Monitors
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shadytree

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8,291 posts

279 months

Friday 22nd July 2005
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I'm thinking about expanding my desktop space with either an extra monitor or one larger monitor.
Currently I have a 17" flat screen.
What are the pros and cons here and how easy is the setup of two screens?

Plotloss

67,280 posts

300 months

Friday 22nd July 2005
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Extra screen gives you more real estate, bigger screen gives you similar real estate with better clarity.

Generally speaking.

randlemarcus

13,646 posts

261 months

Friday 22nd July 2005
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Similar real estate? Only if you are going from a 15" tft to a 21" at least.

Check your graphics card. If you have analog and DVI outputs then you can do two monitors easy peasy. I was of a similar opinion before, but then used a couple of spare monitors I had lying around. Wouldnt go back. PH on one, work on t'other. (I even get e little work done from time to time....

Plotloss

67,280 posts

300 months

Friday 22nd July 2005
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Same here.

Extra monitor is the way forward without doubt.

Though I have never grasped this TFT nettle.

I find CRT so much nicer to look at.

shadytree

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Friday 22nd July 2005
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Plotloss said:
Same here.

Extra monitor is the way forward without doubt.

Though I have never grasped this TFT nettle.

I find CRT so much nicer to look at.




TFT ? CRT ? do what

English please Matt talking to a simpleton here

How about the Resolution and response times? what is good/Acceptable ?

>> Edited by shadytree on Friday 22 July 11:53

Plotloss

67,280 posts

300 months

Friday 22nd July 2005
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Flat panels - TFT

Traditional telly like - CRT

If you are playing lots of games or using stuff where clarity makes a real difference then CRT or VERY good TFT are your only real choices. On TFT the quicker the better.

If you are just general use then TFT/CRT makes little odds.

What are you using the machine for in the main?

If you are looking for more desktop space, I take it its generally 2D applications etc.

Dont you get sick of looking at 6 screens or so every day?

shadytree

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8,291 posts

279 months

Friday 22nd July 2005
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Plotloss said:

Dont you get sick of looking at 6 screens or so every day?


Yes fair point, but I'm used to them. feel restricted with one. I do use quite a few apps at home when I'm playing poker and reading PH etc

Not the most valid reason I know

pentoman

4,835 posts

293 months

Friday 22nd July 2005
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CRT = cathode ray tube.

Big monitors, like an old TV. Disadvantages include having to 'aim' the 3 coloured beams at the glass, so a bad CRT can look blurry.
Also high voltage electronics and capacitors likely to break, just like a TV so life expentancy not great.
Can flicker at high resolution and/or low refresh rate


TFT = LCD = those new-fangled thin ones

Obviously much smaller.
Quicker to turn on.
No aiming problems.
No screen 'missing' (i.e. a 17" LCD is ACTUALLY 17"
Disadvantages, very few do more than 1280x1024 resolution but most typical pistonheaders probably use 800x600 or 1024x768 anyway .
Inability to adjust aim means image can be 'wobbly/blurry' when not using the screen's native (max) resolution: Analogy is putting 5 oranges into 4 boxes - you'll end up with something unbalanced because one box will have 2 oranges in.
No thrilling possibility of an electric shock from the screen (maybe an advantage).
Less dynamic range (only ranges from greyish black to greyish white).
Delay/blur on fast moving graphics.
All areas of screen permanently lit (even black areas are just an LCD pixel blocking out white light; obviously that's worse than not making the white light in the first place) so contrast tends to be worse. Also they don't work with LCD 3D glasses.

All IMO.

Russell

simpo two

92,863 posts

295 months

Friday 22nd July 2005
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I went from 1 x 17" TFT to 2 x 17" TFT, rather than one 20+", because I got much more screen area for my money.

I needed to replace my graphics card with a dual head one, but that was easy enough and so was setting up.

Two monitors is great! I can have Photoshop open on one, folders of pix + toolbars on the other, and just drag them across.

Edt

5,239 posts

314 months

Saturday 23rd July 2005
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Got a nice new laptop & am using XPs 'extended desktop' so LH monitor is the laptop 15" screen RH monitor 17" tft. Desktop running at 2048 x 768. Works at treat.
Previouls had a desktop with a Matrox dualhead card.. doddle to setup & run two desk monitors
ED

shadytree

Original Poster:

8,291 posts

279 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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Can someone please direct me to an apropriate link for a duel port graffics card capable of runnimng two screens.

Plotloss

67,280 posts

300 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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When you are looking at VGA cards look for these handy key phrases.

Twin Head
DVI and VGA Out

Either of these will allow you to connect 2 monitors.

shadytree

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Monday 25th July 2005
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Plotloss said:
When you are looking at VGA cards look for these handy key phrases.

Twin Head
DVI and VGA Out

Either of these will allow you to connect 2 monitors.



can you please reply a bit quicker next time Matt

Can't see any on PC World's site ?
Any idea where to look?

>> Edited by shadytree on Monday 25th July 15:43

Plotloss

67,280 posts

300 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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Just happened to be passing, thought I'd pop in...

_dobbo_

14,619 posts

278 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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Personally I'd give PC world a wide berth for something like this.

This is the cheapest I can find:

www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?ASU-108490

shadytree

Original Poster:

8,291 posts

279 months

Tuesday 26th July 2005
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Ok chaps, I pulled the trigger last night

Two 19" Proveiw DTK TFT-MA982K LCD TFT's for £210 each and a VGA Graffics card for £35.
Ok the monitors aren't top named brands, but the clarity and spec were good enough for my needs, and they look neat.
Max res 1280x1024, Response time 16ms, contrast ratio 500, 16.2 mln colors.
Got home, had the back off my pc in 30 seconds, new graffics card was in within one minute, plugged the new screens in with an adapter, switched the lot on, changed the display setting to duel monitors and hey presto. Peice of p**s.
Thanks for all the advice chaps.
Happy punter with more desktop than you can throw a mouse at





>> Edited by shadytree on Tuesday 26th July 07:22

shadytree

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Tuesday 26th July 2005
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Next question !

How do I calibrate the correct colour levels etc. So my display is using the correct colours for Photo imaging.
Is there a program out there ?



>> Edited by shadytree on Tuesday 26th July 07:40

Plotloss

67,280 posts

300 months

Tuesday 26th July 2005
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What you need are colour profiles for your monitors.

Google for [monitor name] color (bloody yanks) profile

These are little files that you download that set the colours then its just a case of adjusting the monitor

shadytree

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Tuesday 26th July 2005
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Plotloss said:
What you need are colour profiles for your monitors.

Google for [monitor name] color (bloody yanks) profile

These are little files that you download that set the colours then its just a case of adjusting the monitor


So how's that work then? Do I have to change each colour? Remember I'm NOT a tefal head here

Plotloss

67,280 posts

300 months

Tuesday 26th July 2005
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Think of it as accurate representation.

Its explained in depth here:
www.color.org/profile.html

For all intents and purposes though, it will probably work just fine out of the box.

All they do is ensure that the image as printed or shown on a monitor that is set correctly is accurately portrayed at design time on your monitor.

I am sure someone a little cleverer that me with at least some design experience can explain it a lot better though!