Mesh wifi system - currently got google wifi, cant extend?
Mesh wifi system - currently got google wifi, cant extend?
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Blakeatron

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2,567 posts

203 months

Thursday 21st October 2021
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Old victorian nunnery - big rooms + solid thick walls = rubbish wifi.

5 years ago set up 3 of the google wifi puck things and wifi has been much better and we are happy. Not always perfect and quite often needs resetting.

Loft conversion and side extension recently completed, but no wifi.

Bought another 3 pucks and tried to set them up - after numerous attempts, resetting, hard wiring, ap deleting and 3hrs on the phone to Mirium from google they have confirmed that the new pucks wont integrate with my older versions.

Options are buy 3 more new pucks and bin my old ones, or try a different system.
Biggest sticking point is we need a seperate ‘guest wifi’ for a holiday let attached to the house.

We have a bt homehub6, we also have wired, unused, network points in all rooms so could hardwire something?

Piginapoke

6,043 posts

215 months

Thursday 21st October 2021
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Blakeatron said:
Old victorian nunnery - big rooms + solid thick walls = rubbish wifi.

5 years ago set up 3 of the google wifi puck things and wifi has been much better and we are happy. Not always perfect and quite often needs resetting.

Loft conversion and side extension recently completed, but no wifi.

Bought another 3 pucks and tried to set them up - after numerous attempts, resetting, hard wiring, ap deleting and 3hrs on the phone to Mirium from google they have confirmed that the new pucks wont integrate with my older versions.

Options are buy 3 more new pucks and bin my old ones, or try a different system.
Biggest sticking point is we need a seperate ‘guest wifi’ for a holiday let attached to the house.

We have a bt homehub6, we also have wired, unused, network points in all rooms so could hardwire something?
We have Amplifi HD Mesh with 2 extenders, it's fab.

dmsims

7,454 posts

297 months

Thursday 21st October 2021
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Orbi

bristolbaron

5,383 posts

242 months

Thursday 21st October 2021
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TP-Link Deco S4 solved my problems.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0851D6MXY/ref=cm_sw_r...

In the sticks

116 posts

89 months

Thursday 21st October 2021
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I use google mesh. Like you, lots of thick (4’) walls. I’m afraid the only way to get reliable WIFI is to cable it with appropriate ap’s. Did this in another house and it’s night and day. So is the price though. It can mount up.

devnull

3,869 posts

187 months

Thursday 21st October 2021
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I’ve just ripped out my Google Wi-Fi and replaced it with hard wired Unifi router and APs.

Edited by devnull on Friday 22 October 11:01

Biker 1

8,593 posts

149 months

Friday 22nd October 2021
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Similar issue here. Openreach fibre with BT hub attached, but at extreme end of house. I used powerline adaptors & there seems to be reasonably fast/robust WiFi throughout.
I'm not convinced about these mesh systems - there seem to be many incompatibilities...

camel_landy

5,512 posts

213 months

Friday 22nd October 2021
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dmsims said:
Orbi
^^^ That's what I use in my places. Guest access configured too.

There are other systems available, some of which can be hard wired too but I don't have first hand experience of them.

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Freakuk

4,813 posts

181 months

Friday 22nd October 2021
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Blakeatron said:
Old victorian nunnery - big rooms + solid thick walls = rubbish wifi.

5 years ago set up 3 of the google wifi puck things and wifi has been much better and we are happy. Not always perfect and quite often needs resetting.

Loft conversion and side extension recently completed, but no wifi.

Bought another 3 pucks and tried to set them up - after numerous attempts, resetting, hard wiring, ap deleting and 3hrs on the phone to Mirium from google they have confirmed that the new pucks wont integrate with my older versions.

Options are buy 3 more new pucks and bin my old ones, or try a different system.
Biggest sticking point is we need a seperate ‘guest wifi’ for a holiday let attached to the house.

We have a bt homehub6, we also have wired, unused, network points in all rooms so could hardwire something?
Interesting that they didn't make them backwardly compatible and a bit of a crap trick not to make that clear ahead of shelling out.

I've got 4 of the original pucks and did think another might help in a weaker point of the house, sounds like that isn't an option.

Going back to your original point, you've already got 3 of each version, it would make sense (financially) to replace the older 3 rather than rip out all of them, could you not find some older versions on Ebay etc?

ecsrobin

18,673 posts

195 months

Friday 22nd October 2021
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Another vote for Orbi I went wifi6 as that’s becoming more standard on devices.

sparkyhx

4,200 posts

234 months

Friday 22nd October 2021
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wired is obviously the best if you can do it so its worth investigating that as an option.

the next question is how much do you want to spend, the Orbi's are good but expensive and you pay for features you don't need, think Jag when you need a fiesta.

Maybe its time to bite the bullet and replace the googles with a fresh set of something else

I use the BT whole Home. I'm not a fan of the form factor, but they do a good job, I've recently added a fourth to my previous 3 due to poor signal in the conservatory. I've been running them probably 3.5 years and they've been rock solid. So I can recommend them. They have 3 versions at different price points and they come in multiples packs. Direct from BT seems to be the best way

Blakeatron

Original Poster:

2,567 posts

203 months

Friday 22nd October 2021
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Thanks for the advice so far - we have been happy with the google but not thrilled, so not fussed about staying with them.

We have network points in every room wired back to a rack - which is totally unused so happy to utilise this.

The biggest point is we have 1 holiday let at the moment and planning for another on site, this all requires wifi so we need a robust system.

Happy to pay for the right system - hopefully keep it below £500? but it has to be expandable

Robotron70

1,965 posts

73 months

Friday 22nd October 2021
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TP Link or Orbi.

SilverBirch

27 posts

117 months

Friday 22nd October 2021
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Another vote here for ubiquiti access points on an Ethernet backhaul.

Corso Marche

1,901 posts

231 months

Saturday 23rd October 2021
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You may be able to utilize your existing Google pucks for one (or both) of the holiday let's.
If you have cabled access in each room then use that as the backhaul from the second and third node to the primary puck. You'll need a switch to connect both nodes to the primary. I don't know the layout of your place, but it might be worth considering such options.
Might help keep the price down if they can be put to some use!

h0b0

9,082 posts

226 months

Saturday 23rd October 2021
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I have the old google wifi. When I needed to extend I bought second hand pucks and I’m up to 5. Once the configuration was correct it has been 100% stable.

Almost all issues I have seen reported with stability, or any other undesired behaviour including lack of range, have been down to double NAT.

If I was buying a new system I probably wouldn’t go with google again, or at least I’d investigate the options. But, having been in the same situation as the OP it made sense to stick with what I had.

dmsims

7,454 posts

297 months

Saturday 23rd October 2021
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On the double Nat front:

The OP cannot put his router into modem mode

Google Wifi can only use 1 unit in bridge mode

So between a rock and a hard place

Captain_Morgan

1,453 posts

89 months

Saturday 23rd October 2021
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Blakeatron said:
Thanks for the advice so far - we have been happy with the google but not thrilled, so not fussed about staying with them.

We have network points in every room wired back to a rack - which is totally unused so happy to utilise this.

The biggest point is we have 1 holiday let at the moment and planning for another on site, this all requires wifi so we need a robust system.

Happy to pay for the right system - hopefully keep it below £500? but it has to be expandable
There’s a number of ways of dealing with this depending on how much time, effort and money you want to spend.

A few folks have suggested unifi as an option which it is but it would be one of the more expensive ones potentially requiring you to replace the by hub with a modem and then using udm as a router/switch/access point at ~£300 plus ~£90+ for each additional access point.

It’s possible to just wire the access points to the existing hub and disable its wifi but then you lose a lot of the unifi features.

Omada by tp-link offer a similar range to the unifi options around 30% cheaper last time I looked

But both have the issue that the ap’s are generally designed for ceiling mounting which is a issue if your Ethernet sockets are wall mounts.
They do do wall mount ap’s but the coverage is generally lower that ceiling mounts meaning a greater cost on ap’s.

If it were me I’d look at either buying a bt vdsl modem from eBay, a 4-8port switch and three tp-link deco m5's to start and see where your dead spots are and put additional nodes in to fill them.

Or look at the Fritzbox vdsl modem/router/ap and additional mesh nodes.

Whatever you do if you place a access point in the airb&b dont hard wire that unless you have set up a isolated guest wired network, if not then the guest can unplug the access point and have direct access to your private network.

NewNameNeeded

2,560 posts

255 months

Saturday 23rd October 2021
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Another recommendation for Orbi.

RichB

56,382 posts

314 months

Saturday 23rd October 2021
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h0b0 said:
I have the old google wifi. When I needed to extend I bought second hand pucks and I’m up to 5.
OOI when were the new pucks introduced? I added Google mesh over 2 years ago and recently I've been thinking about buying another puck. How can I tell if mine are the old ones or new? Is there a serial number or for example are they visually different?