Phantom Telephone Call
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bad company

Original Poster:

21,919 posts

295 months

Friday 12th November 2021
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I was just listening to BBC Radio 4. They were talking to a guy who was charged nearly £500 for a call from his mobile to a number in Tunisia. He’s adamant that he never phoned the number and that his phone was with him at the time of the alleged call. The phone company EE won’t back down and are insisting that he pays for the call.

Is there a way his phone could have been hijacked or cloned?

EU_Foreigner

2,838 posts

255 months

Friday 12th November 2021
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If the phone is compromised, then routing a call via the phone is possible.

This can also include a routing via your Bluetooth connection if you are near enough to the phone.

bad company

Original Poster:

21,919 posts

295 months

Friday 12th November 2021
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EU_Foreigner said:
If the phone is compromised, then routing a call via the phone is possible.

This can also include a routing via your Bluetooth connection if you are near enough to the phone.
Can you explain how this happens please. They had an expert on the radio but didn’t give her enough time to explain how a ‘phantom call’ could be made and what can be done to protect yourself from such an event.

anonymous-user

83 months

Friday 12th November 2021
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Presumably the usual safeguards; particularly keep your Bluetooth switched off if you don't actively need it. A lot of folk leave everything switched on all the time, as indeed we are generally encouraged to do. That's fine until some f*cker hacks your phone and calls the other side of the planet!

rampageturke

2,625 posts

191 months

Friday 12th November 2021
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The telephone system (including SMS) is horribly insecure and mobile isn't any different.

These systems will never be up to 21st century standards of security without massive investment, and private companies have no desire to be the ones to do it.

Or, and this is probably pretty likely, he's either lying or cant remember, and he did actually unwillingly make a call that charged an absurd rate.

anonymous-user

83 months

Friday 12th November 2021
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Presumably, if you set up things such as spend caps and international call bars as part of your contract, then anyone successfully hacking into your phone would still be unable to get past these?

NikBartlett

703 posts

110 months

Saturday 13th November 2021
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Possible with an app unwittingly downloaded to the phone. The phone call logs would show the call and when it was made although this might not be the case if made from a rogue app.

bad company

Original Poster:

21,919 posts

295 months

Saturday 13th November 2021
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My plan with 3 includes unlimited calls, texts & data. I just set a monthly spend limit of £30 on the app which should prevent major fraudulent use.

quinny100

1,013 posts

215 months

Saturday 13th November 2021
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Most likely cause will be an app downloaded to the phone and granted Phone permissions - this allows the app to make and receive calls.

If I was a betting man I’d have a pound on a free football streaming app - I’ve seen several of these with dodgy extras added.

Bacon Is Proof

5,740 posts

260 months

Sunday 14th November 2021
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Not a mobile but I remember years ago my parents having a number of high cost phone calls to a South American adult chat line appear on their bill.
BT were adamant that the calls were genuine and I initially suspected my brother but then subsequent calls were made when the house was empty.
Turned out to be a naughty engineer who was eventually caught out and prosecuted but it was a hell of a struggle to get BT to even consider the possibility that the calls were fraudulent.