Virgin Full Fibre Gig1

[HantsRat]

I've just placed an order for Virgin Gig1 as a business account for the 5 x static IPs and the order sheet states the modem will be a Hitron CGHITCH. As far as I know this device doesn't have 2.5gbps like the Hub 5 does. Can anyone confirm?

I would have thought that ordering the package that goes beyond 1gb they would supply hardware that can handle it?

If this is the case I will question why they're not supply the hub 5 (Consumer produce I'd imagine)

(I do have 10gb capable router and a few devices connecting over 2.5bg ethernet)

[FunkyGibbon]

does seem odd that if they offer >1Gb/s, the router is only 1Gb/s - but would you notice any real world issue?

Download Speeds
Advertised Speed: 1130 Mbps
Expected Speed Range: 1094 - 1140 Mbps
Minimum Guaranteed Download Speed: 565 Mbps

Upload Speeds
Advertised Speed: 52 Mbps
Expected Speed Range: 47 - 52 Mbps

You could just use it in modem only mode with your 10Gb router.

[Captain_Morgan]

Out of interest what is your 10G router?

[HantsRat]

Sorry It's not a 10GB router per say it's a UDM Pro SE with 10GB SFP / 2.5GB ethernet WAN ports. I then have a 10gb link via SFP LAN to a 10GB switch.

I could use in modem only but if the port on the unit is only 1GB that's all all get on the UDM.

I know it's not much over 1GB but if I can get full speed, I want full speed.

[FunkyGibbon]

As they only guarantee 565 Mb/s - I'd check out real world performance before spending any extra.

Your LAN can still internally run at 10Gbs/2.5Gbs

[HantsRat]

I've read lots of reviews and looked at others in the area, most people consistently get over 1GB with Virgin in our area.

[theboss]

Presumably its intended to be used as a 4-port switch and wireless device in which case the bandwidth is available, just not all to one ethernet port.

Obviously in your use case if you're passing straight off to a UDM Pro SE this single port acts as a constraint.

I would ring them and seek clarification on the hub model and see if you can get the hub 5 with the 2.5Gbps port. Perhaps this is a difference between their business and residential offering?

[xeny]

theboss said:

I would ring them and seek clarification on the hub model and see if you can get the hub 5 with the 2.5Gbps port. Perhaps this is a difference between their business and residential offering?

AFAIK the fixed IPs require a GRE tunnel, which the hub 5 doesn't support.

[somouk]

xeny said:

AFAIK the fixed IPs require a GRE tunnel, which the hub 5 doesn't support.

Would be weird to use GRE for that, I would have thought they would just use PPPoE or something. My provider does that for fixed IPs.

[Captain_Morgan]

HantsRat said:

Sorry It's not a 10GB router per say it's a UDM Pro SE with 10GB SFP / 2.5GB ethernet WAN ports. I then have a 10gb link via SFP LAN to a 10GB switch.

I could use in modem only but if the port on the unit is only 1GB that's all all get on the UDM.

I know it's not much over 1GB but if I can get full speed, I want full speed.

Thanks,

Surely you’d use it in modem mode anyway rather than have to double nat if you want to the routing within the UDM?

Or does modem mode preclude the use of multiple public IP’s?

[xeny]

somouk said:

Would be weird to use GRE for that, I would have thought they would just use PPPoE or something. My provider does that for fixed IPs.

See the accepted answer here https://community.virginmedia.com/t5/QuickStart-se...

I currently use the service, and apart from being able to get gig over it, I can in no way disagree with his opinion of it.

[HantsRat]

Captain_Morgan said:

Thanks,

Surely you’d use it in modem mode anyway rather than have to double nat if you want to the routing within the UDM?

Or does modem mode preclude the use of multiple public IP’s?

Yes I would be using this in modem mode but you'll still need to go via their ethernet port which is 1gb.

[theboss]

After reading the linked article, and a few beyond that, I wouldn't touch that offering with a barge pole!

[HantsRat]

theboss said:

After reading the linked article, and a few beyond that, I wouldn't touch that offering with a barge pole!

Reasons?

[xeny]

HantsRat said:

Reasons?

Have you read the post I linked and the blog post that it in turn links to?

[TonyRPH]

About 10 / 12 years ago I had a Virgin Media business broadband connection.

I had multiple IPs but they were unable to assign me a concurrent series of addresses which was odd! So I ended up with 6 IPs with a /32 mask.

Is it still like that?

[HantsRat]

xeny said:

Have you read the post I linked and the blog post that it in turn links to?

I have but the blog post is 5 years old.

[xeny]

HantsRat said:

I have but the blog post is 5 years old.

The forum post is from 28-12-2021 and says "as far as I know nothing has improved since it was written" . Does that give you an idea of the level of investment in the infrastructure?

[theboss]

HantsRat said:

theboss said:

After reading the linked article, and a few beyond that, I wouldn't touch that offering with a barge pole!

Reasons?

Like yourself, I can't be sure exactly what it is they are doing, but if the linked info is still relevant then it suggests that you get to sit on the consumer network overlaid with a tunnelling protocol so as to backhaul your data from a separate infrastructure for no purpose other than to provide you with a fixed outbound NAT IP. It's just convoluted and based on the anecdotal reports would seem to offer an inferior service level in every way to the native consumer service without the layers of complexity and overhead, save only for the public IP.

That just doesn't sound like a 'business grade' offering to me. If I were in your situation I'd probably just go for the regular consumer service and find some other solution / workaround for the public IP if its a strict requirement.

[HantsRat]

To update Virgin confirmed you can't put the Router in Modem only mode with the static IP's so have cancelled the business offering and will look at Consumer instead and use a DDNS service.