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hustlebabe said:
Got a family member that passed CCNA earlier this year and kept using me as a 'sounding board' for his revision.
Can put you in touch if it helps
was wondering if this was going to be your next move
Well I dont like being put down by a total jumped up middle aged c
t of a man, but he did make his point in that I couldnt actually explain what I was trying to prove. So insted of bitching about it forever more I think id better do something about it 
If you could pass on some details it would be much appriciated
run for your lives- there is a girl in the computer forums!!!
gh0st said:
run for your lives- there is a girl in the computer forums!!!
Hehe, don't be scared.
I know f
all about computers but how to pass exams He used me as a 'blank canvas' to revise against.
He sat the exam on a Monday and failed, i think on 82.
So did some psychological work on him and he did the free resit on the Friday and passed on 95.
Gained himself an instant 4 grand pay rise and i'm still waiting my fee!!!!!
Did give me a wicked 3G fone the other day
>> Edited by hustlebabe on Tuesday 20th September 13:33
hustlebabe said:
run for your lives- there is a girl in the computer forums!!!
Hehe, don't be scared.
I know f
He used me as a 'blank canvas' to revise against.
He sat the exam on a Monday and failed, i think on 82.
So did some psychological work on him and he did the free resit on the Friday and passed on 95.
Gained himself an instant 4 grand pay rise and i'm still waiting my fee!!!!!
Did give me a wicked 3G fone the other day
>> Edited by hustlebabe on Tuesday 20th September 13:33
You will get another one if I get the same pay upgrade
I would recomend self study for ccna.
All they will do on a course is go through the book anyway and charge you 2K for the privelege .....
I would also recomend starting to build a home lab so that you can get a grasp of the basics...
You can get 3 2500 routers on ebay for less than £100 these days. You'll want to get ethernet traceivers (about £8 each) and a small hub (anything - netgear etc)to get ethernet working and back to back cables (on ebay) to connect up the serial ports.
This will enable you to start configuring routing protocols and IP addressing etc. You may then want to get a cheap switch (2900 - again from ebay) to get some switching experience - vlans etc - a pair of switches would be even better, then you can do trunking and spanning tree etc.
Basically as you progress through the exams you can gradually build up your lab until in about 4 years time you have a CCIE lab ! (if you work really hard).
I would urge you to get hands on experience, otherwise you will look a tw*t if someone puts you on the spot.
Also, before getting into the CCNA book, I would advise getting your head round basic tcp/ip - understand the basic concept of routing packets, subnet masks (make sure you can do it in your head - i.e. 192.168.1.33, 26 bit mask, what is the network address, gateway and broadcast address) etc - this stuff will always help you - also make sure you understand the ISO 7 layer model, after a while its relevance will become clear.
I'm happy to help out with advice, explainations etc
All they will do on a course is go through the book anyway and charge you 2K for the privelege .....
I would also recomend starting to build a home lab so that you can get a grasp of the basics...
You can get 3 2500 routers on ebay for less than £100 these days. You'll want to get ethernet traceivers (about £8 each) and a small hub (anything - netgear etc)to get ethernet working and back to back cables (on ebay) to connect up the serial ports.
This will enable you to start configuring routing protocols and IP addressing etc. You may then want to get a cheap switch (2900 - again from ebay) to get some switching experience - vlans etc - a pair of switches would be even better, then you can do trunking and spanning tree etc.
Basically as you progress through the exams you can gradually build up your lab until in about 4 years time you have a CCIE lab ! (if you work really hard).
I would urge you to get hands on experience, otherwise you will look a tw*t if someone puts you on the spot.
Also, before getting into the CCNA book, I would advise getting your head round basic tcp/ip - understand the basic concept of routing packets, subnet masks (make sure you can do it in your head - i.e. 192.168.1.33, 26 bit mask, what is the network address, gateway and broadcast address) etc - this stuff will always help you - also make sure you understand the ISO 7 layer model, after a while its relevance will become clear.
I'm happy to help out with advice, explainations etc
7 layer you say, we normally start all our problem analysis at layer 8, and do our ut most to leave the blame there too 
I could have killed someone. Mind you, it did get a bit more tricky after that Funny that, I generally refuse to go above layer 4 ....
To be honest if you are looking after network OS's (win2000 etc) then you can get by knowing very little about layer 1-7 etc and IP routing etc, but as soon as you get into Cisco, and all the stuff underneath you really do need to get a grounding in all that dull stuff or frankly you are wasting your time.
To be honest if you are looking after network OS's (win2000 etc) then you can get by knowing very little about layer 1-7 etc and IP routing etc, but as soon as you get into Cisco, and all the stuff underneath you really do need to get a grounding in all that dull stuff or frankly you are wasting your time.
Good advice so far guys, I have decided to do at least 3 MCP's and then start doing an addition to that to build up a nice rounded portfoilio.
I was thinking MCSE electing to Exchange and backing that up with a Checkpoint certification for network security.
I already know most of it, I just cant put it into form most people understand because I have never been actually qualified in it - the subnet masking thing I have done in a training course before and I never really did get the hang of it but I am sure I can get there in the end.
So far have scored no less than 60-80% in the MCP pre-assesment tests (10 questions based on each one) so its just a matter of learning what things stand for and how Microsoft explains it I guess...
I was thinking MCSE electing to Exchange and backing that up with a Checkpoint certification for network security.
I already know most of it, I just cant put it into form most people understand because I have never been actually qualified in it - the subnet masking thing I have done in a training course before and I never really did get the hang of it but I am sure I can get there in the end.
So far have scored no less than 60-80% in the MCP pre-assesment tests (10 questions based on each one) so its just a matter of learning what things stand for and how Microsoft explains it I guess...
Scuse me butting in but about to ask what would be a decent book on tcp/ip only?
I know there are many web sources and quite a few on Amazon etc. Need the good old paper version for flick through. Got really stuck on subnet masks today.
Just bought a Cisco beginners guide.....no larfin at the back....stab in the dark on Amazon for a starter but hey ho....
I know there are many web sources and quite a few on Amazon etc. Need the good old paper version for flick through. Got really stuck on subnet masks today.
Just bought a Cisco beginners guide.....no larfin at the back....stab in the dark on Amazon for a starter but hey ho....
jmorgan said:
Scuse me butting in but about to ask what would be a decent book on tcp/ip only?
I know there are many web sources and quite a few on Amazon etc. Need the good old paper version for flick through. Got really stuck on subnet masks today.
Just bought a Cisco beginners guide.....no larfin at the back....stab in the dark on Amazon for a starter but hey ho....
Actually I need to thank you for butting in... good question
I have found the Windows coursework quite good for explaining the TCP/IP and networking stuff in general but would also like to know any good further reading.
it depends wether you just want tcp/ip in isolation - in which case any of the standard books will be fine - it's a fairly dry subject and they all cover the same stuff ..... addressing, subnetting, basic routing, dns, tcp/udp ports etc etc
But THE bible is Routing TCP/IP vol 1 & 2 from Cisco Press by Jeff Doyle - this covers all routing from static routes to BGP and multicast up to CCIE Lab level - I've read both several times sad man that I am ...... I would say that most books just on tcp/ip are dull and contain a lot of stuff you don't need yet .... just learn about addressing, rfc1918, subnetting, the difference between layers 1-4, difference between hubs, switches and routers, and how routing works at a basic level and what a routing protocol is, and a bit of stuff about layer 4 tcp and udp ports - I'd say this stuff is a pre-requisite to get any meaningful firewall knowledge for sure... but it's not that hard, and to be honest I could probably explain it all pretty easily - so I'd say get it off the net.
Like I said before, if you want to do actual networking get some kit and get hands on experience.
But THE bible is Routing TCP/IP vol 1 & 2 from Cisco Press by Jeff Doyle - this covers all routing from static routes to BGP and multicast up to CCIE Lab level - I've read both several times sad man that I am ...... I would say that most books just on tcp/ip are dull and contain a lot of stuff you don't need yet .... just learn about addressing, rfc1918, subnetting, the difference between layers 1-4, difference between hubs, switches and routers, and how routing works at a basic level and what a routing protocol is, and a bit of stuff about layer 4 tcp and udp ports - I'd say this stuff is a pre-requisite to get any meaningful firewall knowledge for sure... but it's not that hard, and to be honest I could probably explain it all pretty easily - so I'd say get it off the net.
Like I said before, if you want to do actual networking get some kit and get hands on experience.
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