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I’m looking to build a new PC as I need more local compute.
DDR4 is now rare, so upgrading a used machine is a no go.
DDR5 is already expensive but seemingly OpenAI are saying they’ll spend trillions $$$ on data centres and so everyone is now pricing for this demand and so ram is going up daily… now at about £600 for 64gb of decent stuff.
There I was thinking I’ll go for 128gb for my next machine… but feeling like even 64gb 4yrs after my last upgrade will be a big cost.
First it was GPUs and now it’s RAM.
Sigh… can’t wait for this AI hype stuff to be over!
DDR4 is now rare, so upgrading a used machine is a no go.
DDR5 is already expensive but seemingly OpenAI are saying they’ll spend trillions $$$ on data centres and so everyone is now pricing for this demand and so ram is going up daily… now at about £600 for 64gb of decent stuff.
There I was thinking I’ll go for 128gb for my next machine… but feeling like even 64gb 4yrs after my last upgrade will be a big cost.
First it was GPUs and now it’s RAM.
Sigh… can’t wait for this AI hype stuff to be over!
I had a load of stuff in my cart on Scan, including RAM, just checking on deals etc. Last week it was £188 for 32GB DDR5 6400Mhz, this week over £300.
Thankfully Amazon had some at around £150, so I got it from them before.
I am building a new PC to replace my Framework 16 that I am going to offload, just don't need it.
Thankfully Amazon had some at around £150, so I got it from them before.
I am building a new PC to replace my Framework 16 that I am going to offload, just don't need it.
Monsterlime said:
I had a load of stuff in my cart on Scan, including RAM, just checking on deals etc. Last week it was £188 for 32GB DDR5 6400Mhz, this week over £300.
Thankfully Amazon had some at around £150, so I got it from them before.
I am building a new PC to replace my Framework 16 that I am going to offload, just don't need it.
Check that it’s CL30 assuming that is what you want instead of CL36 CL38 CL40 which will produce cheaper pricing.Thankfully Amazon had some at around £150, so I got it from them before.
I am building a new PC to replace my Framework 16 that I am going to offload, just don't need it.
I’ve built a pc on pcspecialist for not much more than buying parts to build it myself using some old bits here like case, PSU, OS, cou cooler etc.
It’s not the dream setup but it’ll do.
It’s very silly.
Tempted to just buy it, use it for requirements, sell any old bits I don’t need, then regroup in 12 months and swap case/coolers etc to taste at that point.
I get this feeling if I don’t buy soon I’ll be out of luck for months and chasing prices higher.
Plus if this spreads to m.2 it’ll no doubt be into mobos, then into cars and TVs and everything else. Oh joy.
Now all we need is an earthquake in SE Asia… I remember ram went up 2x or so back in 2001 ish because of ram factories getting shaken.
It’s not the dream setup but it’ll do.
It’s very silly.
Tempted to just buy it, use it for requirements, sell any old bits I don’t need, then regroup in 12 months and swap case/coolers etc to taste at that point.
I get this feeling if I don’t buy soon I’ll be out of luck for months and chasing prices higher.
Plus if this spreads to m.2 it’ll no doubt be into mobos, then into cars and TVs and everything else. Oh joy.
Now all we need is an earthquake in SE Asia… I remember ram went up 2x or so back in 2001 ish because of ram factories getting shaken.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/CORSAIR-VENGEANCE-6000MHz...
Let’s leave this here currently at £350!
Let’s keep an eye on the price . . .
Let’s leave this here currently at £350!
Let’s keep an eye on the price . . .
My guess is that the AI bubble is going to pop within the next six months, for sure. That will leave a lot of unfulfilled reservations and in addition to suppliers increasing production to take advantage of rising prices, should produce a glut and falling prices.
So unless you absolutely MUST build a machine now then just hold off half a year. Crap like this seems to happen all the time in computing and technology.
So unless you absolutely MUST build a machine now then just hold off half a year. Crap like this seems to happen all the time in computing and technology.
Edited by Lucas Ayde on Thursday 27th November 12:56
Digger said:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/CORSAIR-VENGEANCE-6000MHz...
Let s leave this here currently at £350!
Let s keep an eye on the price . . .
fLet s leave this here currently at £350!
Let s keep an eye on the price . . .
k me that's ridiculous. Something needs to be done about this, everyone keeps saying the AI bubble will burst but it doesn't seem to be doing so and in the mean time it's screwing the planet, the people and the market. Utter utter bks!.:ian:. said:
Yikes! I was thinking about upgrading my PC as it's not Win11 compatible. I guess I'll be signing up for the extra year of Win10 support instead thenLucas Ayde said:
So unless you absolutely MUST build a machine now then just hold off half a year. Crap like this seems to happen all the time in computing and technology.
I’ve ended up with two clients both wanting lots of rendering and work doing, so really need more PC.Plus I’m tinkering more with AI stuff so fancied a pcie5 setup with near 3-4x faster m.2 etc.
Sadly I can’t go to 128gb at these prices but will go 2x32 and get a matching 2x 32 later.
Or maybe sell ram and go 4x64 if it comes down lots.
Just killing lots of birds with one stone.
I could use ‘cloud’ rendering or buy an old 128threadripper but it’s just dead money after the job.
Pc specialist seem keen to sell me a pc with cl30 6000 Corsair ram in 2x32 for what must be about £250, and their other bits seem sensibly priced too.
Not my dream machine, but adding up parts to diy the same build and using some old parts was almost as much!!!
So works out easier to just get it, get my work done, then faff later
Digger said:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/CORSAIR-VENGEANCE-6000MHz...
Let s leave this here currently at £350!
Let s keep an eye on the price . . .
this is the price of that product on amazon since September this year: Let s leave this here currently at £350!
Let s keep an eye on the price . . .
https://graph.keepa.com/pricehistory.png?asin=B0CB...
Mr Whippy said:
I ve ended up with two clients both wanting lots of rendering and work doing, so really need more PC.
Plus I m tinkering more with AI stuff so fancied a pcie5 setup with near 3-4x faster m.2 etc.
Sadly I can t go to 128gb at these prices but will go 2x32 and get a matching 2x 32 later.
Or maybe sell ram and go 4x64 if it comes down lots.
Just killing lots of birds with one stone.
I could use cloud rendering or buy an old 128threadripper but it s just dead money after the job.
Pc specialist seem keen to sell me a pc with cl30 6000 Corsair ram in 2x32 for what must be about £250, and their other bits seem sensibly priced too.
Not my dream machine, but adding up parts to diy the same build and using some old parts was almost as much!!!
So works out easier to just get it, get my work done, then faff later
AWS do a range of gpu compute servers, for example 32 cores, 128gb ram, 24gb gpu is $2.40/hourPlus I m tinkering more with AI stuff so fancied a pcie5 setup with near 3-4x faster m.2 etc.
Sadly I can t go to 128gb at these prices but will go 2x32 and get a matching 2x 32 later.
Or maybe sell ram and go 4x64 if it comes down lots.
Just killing lots of birds with one stone.
I could use cloud rendering or buy an old 128threadripper but it s just dead money after the job.
Pc specialist seem keen to sell me a pc with cl30 6000 Corsair ram in 2x32 for what must be about £250, and their other bits seem sensibly priced too.
Not my dream machine, but adding up parts to diy the same build and using some old parts was almost as much!!!
So works out easier to just get it, get my work done, then faff later
https://instances.vantage.sh/aws/ec2/g5.8xlarge?cu...
So for the price of 128gb ram (£650+++) that's around 300 hours of usage. Or if you can automate things and don't need it at an exact time then spot pricing may be an option,
Once it's powered down you only pay for disk storage, assuming you don't delete that and re-provision it each time.
.:ian:. said:
AWS do a range of gpu compute servers, for example 32 cores, 128gb ram, 24gb gpu is $2.40/hour
https://instances.vantage.sh/aws/ec2/g5.8xlarge?cu...
So for the price of 128gb ram (£650+++) that's around 300 hours of usage. Or if you can automate things and don't need it at an exact time then spot pricing may be an option,
Once it's powered down you only pay for disk storage, assuming you don't delete that and re-provision it each time.
Yeah I've been doing some reading around on AWS and the stock 3D gfx rendering providers and their costs aren't far off a sensible year's ROI on the gear for me, so it makes far more sense for me to upgrade/buy kit than buy hours off them.https://instances.vantage.sh/aws/ec2/g5.8xlarge?cu...
So for the price of 128gb ram (£650+++) that's around 300 hours of usage. Or if you can automate things and don't need it at an exact time then spot pricing may be an option,
Once it's powered down you only pay for disk storage, assuming you don't delete that and re-provision it each time.
It never seems to get better in that regard. I even looked the other day at renting a machine for a month and it was eye-wateringly expensive.
I genuinely don't get how any proper business can justify it vs just buying it... I assume some accounting method on capital expenditure vs classing it as overheads/operating costs?!
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