WIFI from down the bottom of the garden?
WIFI from down the bottom of the garden?
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Andeh1

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7,520 posts

231 months

Wednesday 29th April
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I need to help a family member with getting wifi coverage in their garden - too far from the house to stick something inside and get coverage needed.

I installed a Powerline/wifi transmitter several years ago which sort of worked, but was slightly hit & miss - its now packed up.

They have the wifi router near plug sockets.....and socket in the garden/garage that could be used.

Can anyone recommend a decent Powerline setup these days?

Thanks,

GuyW

1,115 posts

228 months

Thursday 30th April
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Throw the powerline junk in the skip. Utter, utter garbage, all of them.

Mount an external AP with ethernet running back to the house. Depending on size of garden, you may be ok to have the AP mounted to an exterior wall close to the router.

Ed Boon II

246 posts

6 months

Thursday 30th April
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I've got a pair of Devolo powerline adaptors, they connect my ISP router in my lounge to my CCTV recorder in the garage, on a different electrical circuit.

They are probably 8 or 9 years old, I've probably had to reboot them 3 or 4 times in that time, I would buy this brand again based on how reliable they've been.

Badda

3,703 posts

107 months

Thursday 30th April
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My Deco mesh system reconnect to a repeater in our summer house - approx 40m from the next one.

Road2Ruin

6,285 posts

241 months

Thursday 30th April
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Just stick another poweline wireless system in there such as TP-Link TL-WPA4220 KIT AV600 Powerline Adapter Wi-Fi Booster
Rating 4.616559485530547 out of 5

They are available at Argos for about £45, so if they don't work, return them.

Modern ones are quicker and more relaible.

No point in spending a lot of money on it or making things more complicated.

I have used them in various properties for years and they have been fine.

RizzoTheRat

28,296 posts

217 months

Thursday 30th April
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Badda said:
My Deco mesh system reconnect to a repeater in our summer house - approx 40m from the next one.
If you go this route use one of the P series ones, they have powerline build in so can use that as well as wifi for the backhaul. Powerline is a bit hit and miss in my opinion, some people have it working fine, others have massive problems with it. I've used it in 2 houses and found it worked but was slow. It has improved a lot over the years though.

If you can drill through a wall and mount a wired access point on the outside of the house, you can get outdoor wireless bridges that are designed specifically for this kind thing, one unit on the side of the house and one on the side of the garage, and they're directional so able to communicate over much longer distances than standard wifi, you'd then need a wifi access point in the garage too.

The best solution as far as connectivity is concerned would be to run a proper armoured ethernet cable, but you want to bury it a coupe of feet down so it's a lot of work


Crafty_

13,882 posts

225 months

Thursday 30th April
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You can get access points that are designed for long range - ubiquiti have several "LR" units, but I'm sure the others do too.

They also do APs suitable for outdoor use, so you could affix to the rear of the house to provide signal. Again, I'm sure other manufacturers sell similar products.

Badda

3,703 posts

107 months

Friday 1st May
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RizzoTheRat said:
If you go this route use one of the P series ones, they have powerline build in so can use that as well as wifi for the backhaul. Powerline is a bit hit and miss in my opinion, some people have it working fine, others have massive problems with it. I've used it in 2 houses and found it worked but was slow. It has improved a lot over the years though.

If you can drill through a wall and mount a wired access point on the outside of the house, you can get outdoor wireless bridges that are designed specifically for this kind thing, one unit on the side of the house and one on the side of the garage, and they're directional so able to communicate over much longer distances than standard wifi, you'd then need a wifi access point in the garage too.

The best solution as far as connectivity is concerned would be to run a proper armoured ethernet cable, but you want to bury it a coupe of feet down so it's a lot of work
Why bury it?

Doofus

33,454 posts

198 months

Friday 1st May
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I thought ethernet cable was only reliable/effective over limited lengths.

Dog Biscuit

1,927 posts

22 months

Friday 1st May
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Badda said:
RizzoTheRat said:
If you go this route use one of the P series ones, they have powerline build in so can use that as well as wifi for the backhaul. Powerline is a bit hit and miss in my opinion, some people have it working fine, others have massive problems with it. I've used it in 2 houses and found it worked but was slow. It has improved a lot over the years though.

If you can drill through a wall and mount a wired access point on the outside of the house, you can get outdoor wireless bridges that are designed specifically for this kind thing, one unit on the side of the house and one on the side of the garage, and they're directional so able to communicate over much longer distances than standard wifi, you'd then need a wifi access point in the garage too.

The best solution as far as connectivity is concerned would be to run a proper armoured ethernet cable, but you want to bury it a coupe of feet down so it's a lot of work
Why bury it?
Probably because it would either be a trip hazard or look a bit of a lash up with a cable traipsing along the garden smile

megaphone

11,513 posts

276 months

Friday 1st May
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Doofus said:
I thought ethernet cable was only reliable/effective over limited lengths.
100m is generally regarded as the max length of an ethernet run, but I've run longer on standard CAT5e and still achieved gigabit speeds


Doofus

33,454 posts

198 months

Friday 1st May
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megaphone said:
Doofus said:
I thought ethernet cable was only reliable/effective over limited lengths.
100m is generally regarded as the max length of an ethernet run, but I've run longer on standard CAT5e and still achieved gigabit speeds
Ok, thanks. I thought it was a lot shorter than that.

AB

19,923 posts

220 months

Friday 1st May
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/WAVLINK-High-gain-Weather...

I have this and ran circa 100m of cable down the garden. Probably a little under 100m. We do have power where we'd attached it to a summerhouse but it does PoE.

Set the network name and password to the same as your home network and it works perfectly.

Road2Ruin

6,285 posts

241 months

Saturday
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I love the way the thread has gone from the Op asking for a decent powerline, to people trying to sell them something a lot more complicated and expensive. Used car salesmen right there hehe

megaphone

11,513 posts

276 months

Saturday
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Doofus said:
megaphone said:
Doofus said:
I thought ethernet cable was only reliable/effective over limited lengths.
100m is generally regarded as the max length of an ethernet run, but I've run longer on standard CAT5e and still achieved gigabit speeds
Ok, thanks. I thought it was a lot shorter than that.
If you need PoE to power a camera or wifi access point or similar then the power available can be affected by longer cable runs.

AB

19,923 posts

220 months

Saturday
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Road2Ruin said:
I love the way the thread has gone from the Op asking for a decent powerline, to people trying to sell them something a lot more complicated and expensive. Used car salesmen right there hehe
To be fair, he was saying the powerline wasn't working.

The suggestion I made it cheap and cheerful but works.

LooneyTunes

9,105 posts

183 months

megaphone said:
Doofus said:
megaphone said:
Doofus said:
I thought ethernet cable was only reliable/effective over limited lengths.
100m is generally regarded as the max length of an ethernet run, but I've run longer on standard CAT5e and still achieved gigabit speeds
Ok, thanks. I thought it was a lot shorter than that.
If you need PoE to power a camera or wifi access point or similar then the power available can be affected by longer cable runs.
Using Cat6A works well as runs increase in length. Larger conductors = reduced resistance = less voltage drop.

I’m running POE+ cameras and APs at 60m+ from the switches with no issues. On Cat5e it was more hit and miss.

Unifi also do the “flex” switches that, when fed with PoE+, can onward provide PoE (as well as extending range).

The obvious question hasn’t been asked of the OP: what sort of distance is he looking at?

He clearly has power at both ends, so there are also point to point options/bridge if its outside what could be done with normal APs or Ethernet.

Baldchap

9,553 posts

117 months

Building to building bridge is designed for this.

I have one. Rock solid for years and running at just shy of wired ethernet speed.