Trouble booting up!!
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BCA

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287 months

Friday 21st April 2006
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Hi, Im having trouble booting up on my uni computer... it asks me to input a boot device or if I leave it off for a little while and flick it on, it'll let me go into safe mode. From safe mode I can system resore to a few weeks before hand (when the computer was last working fine.) This just about allows me to start the bloody thing up, but im afraid of turning it off agian to go through all the faffing about of getting it running.

Sometimes when getting it to start up (unsuccessfully) it flashes up a blue screen with silver/ white writing for a split second. Also, when the problem first started, I put my windows XP Pro disk in and tried to run it, but with no luck as it got to a point where it said it couldnt find a hard drive !!!!!

Must say, this isnt dis-similar to a problem I had a few months back (again when I hadnt started it for a while) that was sorted by re-installing a driver of some sort (cant remember, will try to find the thread.)

any ideas?? Im clueless!!

Thanks in advance,
BCA

>> Edited by BCA on Friday 21st April 20:39

pAntscat

996 posts

257 months

Saturday 22nd April 2006
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Sounds to me like you've got a dying hard drive... If you can get it to boot I'd copy anything you'll need on to a USB disk.

Oh... might be worth checking that the cables are in the back of the hard disk properly - but only after you've copied the stuff you want to keep!

BCA

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Saturday 22nd April 2006
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Dont say that

Its only a few months old! (bought in November)

edit: its fine being left on (just loud when im trying to get some sleep) and also, it has re-booted fine earlier (to update something) but I dont want to risk turning it off while I have uni work to do.

>> Edited by BCA on Saturday 22 April 14:03

roadsweeper

3,789 posts

304 months

Saturday 22nd April 2006
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pAntscat said:
Sounds to me like you've got a dying hard drive... If you can get it to boot I'd copy anything you'll need on to a USB disk.

Oh... might be worth checking that the cables are in the back of the hard disk properly - but only after you've copied the stuff you want to keep!

I'm afraid I'd have to agree with that being the most likely diagnosis.

Your PC is asking you to input a boot device because it is unable to recognise your hard disk as being bootable. This is probably because the disk is failing, so back it up a.s.a.p. If you can't boot from it, put it in another PC as a secondary drive and copy your data off that way.

There is a slight chance you could just have a virus, but I really think that's quite unlikely.

Best of luck.

roadie.

GreenV8S

31,024 posts

314 months

Saturday 22nd April 2006
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roadsweeper said:
This is probably because the disk is failing, so back it up a.s.a.p.


... but don't make the mistake of thinking that you'll just 'freshen up' your existing backup, if you have one. Assume that what's on the disc is garbage until proved otherwise - your last backup is the only copy of your data that you can rely on so avoid overwriting the backup at all costs.

If you don't have a backup then I assume that you have nothing of any value on the PC so you might as well just chuck the disc and start again.

BCA

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Saturday 22nd April 2006
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Why then does everything work fine once its up and running...?

Im on it now and all is good.

thepassenger

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265 months

Saturday 22nd April 2006
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BCA said:
Why then does everything work fine once its up and running...?

Im on it now and all is good.


Perhaps because the motor in the drive(s) is shot and the inital power on is warming it up/unsticking it.

Go in to the BIOS and if it's a reltativley recent machine it should have S.M.A.R.T mentioned somewhere in the options. Turn it on, save and reboot.
I'd advise replacing the drive or at least testing the machine with another HDD. However if SMART complains backup pronto.

GreenV8S

31,024 posts

314 months

Saturday 22nd April 2006
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BCA said:
Im on it now and all is good.
Can you hear the borrowed time ticking away?

mattley

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252 months

Saturday 22nd April 2006
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GreenV8S said:
BCA said:
Im on it now and all is good.
Can you hear the borrowed time ticking away?


from here.

agent006

12,058 posts

294 months

Saturday 22nd April 2006
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If it's running XP, check the event log. If the disk is dying it'll be chucking errors all over the place. Easy to spot, they've got DISK written on them and the text mentions bad blocks. If there aren't any then do an XP auto repair. Bung hte CD in and boot the computer, go through as if you were installing XP fresh. Don't press R the first time (recovery console). Chose the partition and then it'll whinge about there already being a windows installation, NOW press R. It'll look like it's installing XP, but it's just replacing the system files and keeping the config.

BCA

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Saturday 22nd April 2006
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agent006 said:
If it's running XP, check the event log. If the disk is dying it'll be chucking errors all over the place. Easy to spot, they've got DISK written on them and the text mentions bad blocks. If there aren't any then do an XP auto repair. Bung hte CD in and boot the computer, go through as if you were installing XP fresh. Don't press R the first time (recovery console). Chose the partition and then it'll whinge about there already being a windows installation, NOW press R. It'll look like it's installing XP, but it's just replacing the system files and keeping the config.


Thanks all once more,

Agent;
To clarify: when it comes to most things in life (computers in particular) im an absolute idiot!! Can you explain the above, as you would a six year old child please? It is running XP Pro fwiw.

Something seems odd here, the only way I could get it to restart properly was to run it in safe mode and do a system restore to a few weeks ago - why would that enable the hard drive to work properly???

agent006

12,058 posts

294 months

Saturday 22nd April 2006
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1: Put CD in
2: Restart
3: When it says "Press any key to install..", erm, well, press a key
4: Watch while XP setup faffs about for a while
5: It'll give you some options along the lines of:
- Recovery console - R
- Install - Enter
- Exit - F3
6: Press Enter
7: It'll faff about a bit more then ask you which disk to install to, i assume you'll only have one
8: It'll then faff about yet more and then whinge about there already being an XP install
9: Press R to do the automated system recovery thing
10: Find something to do for a few hours

BCA

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287 months

Sunday 23rd April 2006
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agent006 said:
1: Put CD in
2: Restart
3: When it says "Press any key to install..", erm, well, press a key
4: Watch while XP setup faffs about for a while
5: It'll give you some options along the lines of:
- Recovery console - R
- Install - Enter
- Exit - F3
6: Press Enter
7: It'll faff about a bit more then ask you which disk to install to, i assume you'll only have one
8: It'll then faff about yet more and then whinge about there already being an XP install
9: Press R to do the automated system recovery thing
10: Find something to do for a few hours


Tried this twice before and it didnt go past stage 7 saying it couldnt find the hard drive.

roadsweeper

3,789 posts

304 months

Sunday 23rd April 2006
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BCA, just backup your data before you do anything else. You've got a lot of people telling you the same thing and I'd do it immediately if I were you or you could end up with a disaster on your hands, depending on what value you put on that data.

agent006

12,058 posts

294 months

Sunday 23rd April 2006
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BCA said:
Tried this twice before and it didnt go past stage 7 saying it couldnt find the hard drive.


Tis shagged then. Get a new hard drive and install on that. Get a USB drive box for your old one to try and limp some of the data off it afterwards.

GreenV8S

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314 months

Sunday 23rd April 2006
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As I see it, you have two choices:

You can replace the disk now, while the old disk is still healthy enough to give you some chance to pull your data off it.

Or, you can wait for the current disk to fail completely before you replace it.

BCA

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Sunday 23rd April 2006
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Im backing up my work now, but I have about 40gigs worth of vids I dont want to lose (Car vids/ scrubs/ lost etc etc) Im hoping it'll hold out till monday night when my friend gets back here (who has just bought a 250gig hard drive that im hoping to use.) Then I'll call up the place that sold me the computer and get it sent off.

BAH

roadsweeper

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304 months

Sunday 23rd April 2006
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BCA said:
I have about 40gigs worth of vids I dont want to lose (Car vids/ scrubs/ lost etc etc)

£10 says I can guess what the "etc" translates as!

BCA

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Sunday 23rd April 2006
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roadsweeper said:
BCA said:
I have about 40gigs worth of vids I dont want to lose (Car vids/ scrubs/ lost etc etc)

£10 says I can guess what the "etc" translates as!


£10 says you cant, as what you will guess is freely available on the uni network

BCA

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Tuesday 2nd May 2006
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Hmm, turned it off for the weekend as I went home, came back and it started second time...


Guess im still on borrowed time, but atleast now I can get it all backed up.

Something still isnt making sense here.