Wireless security cameras.
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shelsleyf2

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424 posts

262 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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Due to recent events I am thinking of installing some security cameras to record and view outside my house. Has anyone here any advice re equipment , problems or reliability of cameras or receivers. I am thinking of recording it all onto hard drive. Can I use a media streamer to view the images on my T.V. in the lounge. I saw on Flea bay a four camera and four channel receiver with the capability of putting all four camera images together and displaying as one pic, any advice would be appreciated. Thanks

domster

8,431 posts

300 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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Not wireless, but these are motion detect cameras into a HD recorder.

www.cctvonline.com/product_info.php?pName=complete-4-infrared-camera-digital-cctv-system&cName=special-offers

Interestingly, I think the motion detect thing comes from the HD recorder itself, so you should be able to make up a system using your chosen wireless cams, receiver and HD recorder.

theaxe

3,571 posts

252 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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I've just done a system for my dad, I got all the parts from Maplin.

A 4 channel DVR (ID: L19AZ)
Long range day/night cameras (ID: L75BJ)
RF Modulator to connect to TV system (ID: L14AQ)

It all works well. The cameras have 105 IR LEDS so they work well at night (the cheap ones only work a few feet) and they're CCD rather than CMOS which is also better for some reason.

Oh, all wired though...

>> Edited by theaxe on Tuesday 23 May 10:03

j.d.clarke

128 posts

285 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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Theaxe, does your system Auto record (motion detect) or does it record from all inputs constantly ?

Also what size HDD did you go for ?

I need to set up a day / night auto record system for a mate soon on his farm.

Thanks

vladthedad

1,086 posts

247 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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I've got a wireless, colour camera with sound and IR night vision from Maplin on my garage. Had it about a year now and it seems to work ok at short range.

This one, I think ...

www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?TabID=1&ModuleNo=43937&doy=23m5


>> Edited by vladthedad on Tuesday 23 May 12:32

Plotloss

67,280 posts

300 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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D-Link

They rock.

Plotloss

67,280 posts

300 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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Tonsko said:
Given that people can now wirelessly steal a car, if someone is desperate to illegal access your premises, is it worth having a signal that can be cracked and a duff feed be produced?


Like all home technology and automation.

Security should be a top consideration.

theaxe

3,571 posts

252 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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j.d.clarke said:
Theaxe, does your system Auto record (motion detect) or does it record from all inputs constantly ?

Also what size HDD did you go for ?

I need to set up a day / night auto record system for a mate soon on his farm.

Thanks



It can do either, the motion detection is quite clever as you can adust the trigger zones and sensitivity. I put an 80GB disk but we haven't filled it yet so I can't tell how long it'll last.

Only downside is it's quite load due to a fan which I think is largely unnecessary.

Plotloss

67,280 posts

300 months

Wednesday 24th May 2006
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Tonsko said:
Plotloss said:
Security should be a top consideration.


Absolutely. Therefore don't get wireless CCTV.

>> Edited by Tonsko on Wednesday 24th May 11:16


Why not?

IP Security Cameras can be perfectly adequately secured, just like any other wireless IP device containing sensitive information.

chim_knee

12,689 posts

287 months

Wednesday 24th May 2006
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Tonsko said:
Agreed. However, wireless security needs to be hardware encrypted with at least a 2048 bit key using AES. Current wireless security measures are woefully inadequate. Some of the newer AP's are starting to use AES encryption, but the key length is still fairly small. WEP security can be cracked in about 5-10 minutes, due to poor design. TKIP (Temporal Key Integrity Protocol) has recently been implemented to beef up WEP - it still uses RC4 encryption, but removes the problem WEP has by issuing a new key every 10,000 packets or so.
What the hell are you intending to film?!

Plotloss

67,280 posts

300 months

Wednesday 24th May 2006
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PKA2, MAC Address filtering on the whole wireless setup and running the content through SSH should deter most people though...

vex

5,259 posts

276 months

Wednesday 24th May 2006
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I could always come over and sit outside your house transmitting a high powered signal just on the wifi frequency.

Nothing will get in or out then!

rich1231

17,340 posts

290 months

Wednesday 24th May 2006
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Tonsko said:
Plotloss said:

Why not?

IP Security Cameras can be perfectly adequately secured, just like any other wireless IP device containing sensitive information.


Agreed. However, wireless security needs to be hardware encrypted with at least a 2048 bit key using AES. Current wireless security measures are woefully inadequate. Some of the newer AP's are starting to use AES encryption, but the key length is still fairly small. WEP security can be cracked in about 5-10 minutes, due to poor design. TKIP (Temporal Key Integrity Protocol) has recently been implemented to beef up WEP - it still uses RC4 encryption, but removes the problem WEP has by issuing a new key every 10,000 packets or so.

I'm holding off wireless myself until the encryption reaches satisfactory levels.



What do you actually know about encryption technology?

snowboarder

8 posts

245 months

Wednesday 24th May 2006
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forget wireless, it is unsecure and anyone can view tham...


I work in the industry and we never install wireless...

Im running a Dedicated Micros DVR with Bosch Flexidome XT cameras Hardwired...it is an awsome setup and it never misses a beat...

Definatly the way to go.

superlightr

12,920 posts

293 months

Thursday 25th May 2006
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I would also go with the wired options. We have a number of security devices at work, some wireless some wired some physical, some mental.

Sure the wireless is easier to fit but causes a lot more problems with setting up and talking to the right bits. You will also still need a power suply even with wireless batteries dont last for ever and then when you replace you have to get the bloody things to enroll and talk to the right bits all over again assuming they arnt a duff unit and you have just wasted a whole morning trying to get one bit to talk to another and it wont.

I also have a keen interest into safes (not the 10yr streach type I hasten to add!) perhaps you need a good safe to help ease the worry when your away....

Shotgun licence is easy to obtain as well and also give a sence of security. (you also y get to look at gun safes Mmmmm)

A dog is also very useful - although you do have to feed it and you dont need a safe for it.

Punji traps have not been installed yet as the wife is bound to forget where I put them which is kind of offputting for her at the moment. The dog may also be unhappy as well but he would stand a 50/50 chance on the normal jungle pattern layout of not getting caught.

>> Edited by superlightr on Thursday 25th May 10:35

byff

4,427 posts

291 months

Thursday 25th May 2006
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You seem to be putting far too much intelligence into the average thief.

I think you've been watching Oceans 11 too many times.