Mac Mini Hosting CoLo/Managed ?
Mac Mini Hosting CoLo/Managed ?
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RoadRailer

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599 posts

259 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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Hello chaps (and chappesses)

Would any of the PH massive have any recommendations for Mac Mini based webhosting - managed or CoLo?

I have googled but prefer word of mouth recommendations rather than an algorythm based on linkies/keywords etc etc.

Or is it a bad idea?

Tripps

5,814 posts

303 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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Hmm, not heard of that before, but can't see any particular flaws in it, as long as they offer the environment you need for your content - ie. no point going for it if you've got ASP.NET pages to host.

I guess it's got to be better than X-Box hosting though, as you've got a very stable and pretty secure platform on the Mac. Which web server are they using though?

Leithen

14,098 posts

298 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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Thought about using a spare one we have here for a while, but haven't got round to doing it yet - here's a weblog of someone giving it a go

ThePassenger

6,962 posts

266 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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Tripps said:
I guess it's got to be better than X-Box hosting though, as you've got a very stable and pretty secure platform on the Mac. Which web server are they using though?


I'd suggest Apache, PHP would be the basics. Pretty easy to install those on Macs (hell they usually come with Apache anyway).

Leithen

14,098 posts

298 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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Googling can work - try using the acronym MAMP and "mac mini"

ThePassenger

6,962 posts

266 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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Leithen said:
Googling can work - try using the acronym MAMP and "mac mini"

LAMP = Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP
WAMP = Windows, Apache, MySQL, PHP
MAMP would be Mac OS, Apache... and so on.

But it definetly looks doable.

RoadRailer

Original Poster:

599 posts

259 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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MAMP eh? Google is great when you know what to ask it (or have a brain....)
Thanks for all advice received.

Anybody know of any decent companies who can actually give a mini a home on a rack in a UK datacentre?

Something like This?


Leithen

14,098 posts

298 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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"There's nothing quite like having your own Apple Mac Mini server, colocated in a state of the art data centre."

Can't argue with that.... but I can't help wondering why you'd want to for £600 a year?

Edited by Leithen on Thursday 16th November 17:22

RoadRailer

Original Poster:

599 posts

259 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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Leithen said:
"There's nothing quite like having your own Apple Mac Mini server, colocated in a state of the art data centre."

Can't argue with that.... but I can't help wondering why you'd want to for £600 a year?


I'm not sure what classes as good value for datacentre prices - £50 a month is bad then?

JamieBeeston

9,294 posts

296 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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RoadRailer said:
Leithen said:
"There's nothing quite like having your own Apple Mac Mini server, colocated in a state of the art data centre."

Can't argue with that.... but I can't help wondering why you'd want to for £600 a year?


I'm not sure what classes as good value for datacentre prices - £50 a month is bad then?


Given 1amp of power now costs > £50 a month in TeleCityRedbus (Europes Largest DC company), and that's before you get to the Cabinet Space, the Support, the Bandwidth, the Profit, the Taxes etc..

IMHO Colo is going to die off in the next 12 mths, the Demographic of clientele it attracts are typically those who want the moon on a stick, and want to pay as little for it as possible, as such they just arent viable, let alone desirable.

You'll be able to Colo in the US, or in a few of the 'non mainstream' out of London Datacentres.. but in all honesty, Why would you WANT to colo a Mac Mini? just Lease an apple xServe if you want Mac hosting?

J

RoadRailer

Original Poster:

599 posts

259 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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JamieBeeston said:


...the Demographic of clientele it attracts are typically those who want the moon on a stick, and want to pay as little for it as possible, as such they just arent viable, let alone desirable....


J


busted!

hehe

Oh well looks like an xserve it is then....

JamieBeeston

9,294 posts

296 months

Thursday 16th November 2006
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RoadRailer said:
busted!

hehe

Oh well looks like an xserve it is then....


We've about 30 xServes atm, G4s and G5's...

Let me know if you need any info

J

Tripps

5,814 posts

303 months

Friday 17th November 2006
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JamieBeeston said:
IMHO Colo is going to die off in the next 12 mths, the Demographic of clientele it attracts are typically those who want the moon on a stick, and want to pay as little for it as possible, as such they just arent viable, let alone desirable.
Interesting that, as it's something we've seen with a few clients over the years. They want the benefits of Colo, but get put off by the costs. We'd ended up implementing a web round-robin approach in one system, as that worked out better for them.

Our big clients have their own infrastructure with multiple sites these days (in some cases spread far enough apart to be nuclear safe, old cold ware paranoia!), do you find the potential Colo customers are those that can't afford (or don't want) to do it themselves?

JamieBeeston

9,294 posts

296 months

Friday 17th November 2006
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Tripps said:
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Our big clients have their own infrastructure with multiple sites these days (in some cases spread far enough apart to be nuclear safe, old cold ware paranoia!), do you find the potential Colo customers are those that can't afford (or don't want) to do it themselves?


Typically.. and I am generalising here..

Those who want small scale colo (under a dedicated cabinet) are those for whom cost is an overriding concern.
Those for whom cost isnt an issue will typically take a Rented server, for the added security and peace of mind the hardware support the host will offer (ie for us, we offer a 24/7/365 2 hour hardware replacement SLA)... Imagine the story if you colo a server, and it dies at 3am xmas eve or some other such terrible time... do you REALLY want to drive x hours to the Datacentre, to find out the PSU and motherboard are fried, and nowhere is open for spares until Jan 3rd :|

Colo will still exist, just not in Docklands, and certainly not for the bargain basement prices of old..

J