S-l-o-w PC, any ideas?
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Hard-Drive

Original Poster:

4,291 posts

260 months

Thursday 10th May 2007
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My home PC is running like a dog. I run CA Security Centre (paid for) which comes up clean for viruses, I've done an Ad-aware scan (also clean) and I downloaded and ran both AVG antivirus and spyware tools (both freeware) and they also show clean.

Any ideas? Should I try one of these registry cleaner jobbies, is that likely to sort it and if so which one?

I have an external HDD backing up my work PC. Should I just back up the entire home PC, and just wipe the disk clean and start again? Or will it just restore it to it's "slow" state?

Any help really appreciated!

lilford christie

6,519 posts

236 months

Thursday 10th May 2007
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How much Ram have you Ggot & what processor?

Have you ever installed Norton?lol

It could/probably be all the little startup programs that run in the background when your PC loads up windows, a handy tool in Windows to kill the pesky buggers is MSCONFIG: see www.netsquirrel.com/msconfig/

ThePassenger

6,962 posts

266 months

Thursday 10th May 2007
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Don't run two AV products at once... they fight and crush systems.

Personally if everything is comming up clean, try a defrag.

Then reinstall.

missdiane

13,994 posts

280 months

Thursday 10th May 2007
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Mine is the same,
trying to view video links on the P&P yesterday was a nightmare, I couldnt even play Postman Pat!!
Doing Spy bot, adaware, disk cleanup, dont need a defrag apparently, will format last resort

ThePassenger

6,962 posts

266 months

Thursday 10th May 2007
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Sorry to seem reinstall happy, but whilst you can spend hours or even days hitting a system with tools to patch it up they just do that... patch it up. It'll go wrong again and usually quicker than before

Blitzing Windows and going again is usually quicker, cheaper and less hassle.

wiggy001

7,404 posts

302 months

Thursday 10th May 2007
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Whoah! First things first...

How much available RAM do you have (check task manager)? If you're out of memory, everything will be caching to hard disk and the system will run slow.

Secondly, is your CPU being caned? Check task manager again and sort the Processes tab by CPU to see if there are any culprits there.

Do the above before anything drastic and let us know what you find.

Hard-Drive

Original Poster:

4,291 posts

260 months

Thursday 10th May 2007
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OK thanks all for the tips so far, I've de-fragged and it does seem a little better, although still crap!

CPU usage varies from 15%-35% with just IE open and depending on how much I wiggle mouse round!

Which RAM figure do you need and how do I get it?

ThePassenger

6,962 posts

266 months

Thursday 10th May 2007
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Right click on My Computer and select Properties.

.Flyer

434 posts

281 months

Thursday 10th May 2007
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I've seen this recently with quite a few systems. The problem is the wuauclt.exe (along with svchost) process using up all the processor cycles. This is the Microsoft Update process and it is downloading updates in the background. The system slows down considerably until the process completes (can be hours, could be minutes) and then the system reverts to normal.

This may not be your problem, but worth bearing in mind. To check, right-click the taskbar, select Task Manager, click on Services tab, click twice on the CPU heading to sort into descending order. If wuauclt or svchost is using a high percentage, then that's your issue.

2something

2,145 posts

239 months

Friday 11th May 2007
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I ran 'error-checking' on my C: drive last week, fixed my slowness problem immediately. Some dodgy clusters or something like that, took a long time to run but it was worth it.

ThePassenger

6,962 posts

266 months

Friday 11th May 2007
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2something said:

I ran 'error-checking' on my C: drive last week, fixed my slowness problem immediately. Some dodgy clusters or something like that, took a long time to run but it was worth it.


If it took "a long time" it sounds like it was doing a surface scan. If that found things wrong then I'd seriously suggest backing up everything important and scouting out a new drive. Bad sectors have a nasty habit of growing!

Hard-Drive

Original Poster:

4,291 posts

260 months

Friday 11th May 2007
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De-fragged, sybotted, anti-virused, switched of AVG and left CA running, still useless. How do I do that "error check"?

Cheers!

Shadytree

8,291 posts

280 months

Friday 11th May 2007
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Sounds like i have the same issues. All started performing crap after the windows update.

GregE240

10,857 posts

298 months

Friday 11th May 2007
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Flyer has the cause here, I think.

Automatic Update runs via the process described, and also an svchost.exe process. If you check Task Manager, you may see an svchost.exe process consuming a huge amount of RAM.

The following link expands this: http://searchwincomputing.techtarget.

On both my systems, I have disabled the Automatic Updates process, instead checking manually twice a week via the Windows Update site. Both systems run clean as now.

I also like Passengers idea of backing up, then flattening and rebuilding. Always a good idea. However, unless you're a slipstreaming wizard and have all of your post SP2 hotfixes streamed into your XP installation, it will rebuild, go to Windows Update and download a shedload of stuff.

The other point well made here is RAM - I started running XP when it was first out with 512MB. Now, I'd say 1GB as an absolute minimum.

Hope this helps.

Shadytree

8,291 posts

280 months

Friday 11th May 2007
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GregE240 said:
Flyer has the cause here, I think.

Automatic Update runs via the process described, and also an svchost.exe process. If you check Task Manager, you may see an svchost.exe process consuming a huge amount of RAM.

The following link expands this: http://searchwincomputing.techtarget.

On both my systems, I have disabled the Automatic Updates process, instead checking manually twice a week via the Windows Update site. Both systems run clean as now.

I also like Passengers idea of backing up, then flattening and rebuilding. Always a good idea. However, unless you're a slipstreaming wizard and have all of your post SP2 hotfixes streamed into your XP installation, it will rebuild, go to Windows Update and download a shedload of stuff.

The other point well made here is RAM - I started running XP when it was first out with 512MB. Now, I'd say 1GB as an absolute minimum.

Hope this helps.


busy tonight Greg ? hehe

cheers for that


Edited by Shadytree on Friday 11th May 09:21

GregE240

10,857 posts

298 months

Friday 11th May 2007
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Shadytree said:
busy tonight Greg ? hehe

cheers for that


Edited by Shadytree on Friday 11th May 09:21
Probably in hospital visiting mate

Hope it works, shout if it don't

GT

GregE240

10,857 posts

298 months

Friday 11th May 2007
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PS - saw your other thread, almost certain its Auto Updates if its killing the PC on bootup.

missdiane

13,994 posts

280 months

Friday 11th May 2007
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I think I have done most of the checks suggested, and tested flyers suggestion, svchost is saying 00, I assume thats good. Still slow though.
GregE240 said:
Flyer has the cause here, I think.

Automatic Update runs via the process described, and also an svchost.exe process. If you check Task Manager, you may see an svchost.exe process consuming a huge amount of RAM.

The following link expands this: http://searchwincomputing.techtarget.

On both my systems, I have disabled the Automatic Updates process, instead checking manually twice a week via the Windows Update site. Both systems run clean as now.

I also like Passengers idea of backing up, then flattening and rebuilding. Always a good idea. However, unless you're a slipstreaming wizard and have all of your post SP2 hotfixes streamed into your XP installation, it will rebuild, go to Windows Update and download a shedload of stuff.

The other point well made here is RAM - I started running XP when it was first out with 512MB. Now, I'd say 1GB as an absolute minimum.

Hope this helps.

I am running 240mb RAM I am sooo old hehe

.Flyer

434 posts

281 months

Monday 14th May 2007
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El Reg is reporting on this: MS update ate my CPU cycles

the register said:
The latest batch of patches from Microsoft has left some users in the slow lane.

After applying the seven critical updates released by Redmond, some punters are finding their processor's resources eaten by an application called svchost.exe, in a way that mimics a viral infection. Svchost.exe is a generic name for services that run from dynamic-link libraries (DLLs).


Outlook 2003 users have been hardest hit, with some linking the application's slow-down to the effects of a cumulative update to Internet Explorer. However, the effect is far from limited to Outlook 2003 users.

The issue has cropped up on the WSUS (Windows Server Update Services) blog and among reports to the SANS Institute's Internet Storm Centre (ISC). The precise cause of the problem remains unclear. Microsoft is yet to respond to our requests to shed some light on the problem.

Some users are experiencing relief by applying a hot fix issued to address problems involving non-response of svchost.exe (not exactly the symptom most are reporting) prior to upgrading their Windows Update client, ISC reports. Your mileage may vary. ®

Shadytree

8,291 posts

280 months

Monday 14th May 2007
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I dissabled the auto updates functions, and it's seem to have done the trick.