how to convince someone not to have a flash website
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everyone on ph seems to agree flash is crap so how do you actually go about convincing somoone whos not a geek? my chum wants a fancy looking website and loves the flash effects etc. how do I convince someone who couldnt care about code etc that a pretty all singing and dancing website is not as good as a html one?
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everyone on ph seems to agree flash is crap so how do you actually go about convincing somoone whos not a geek? my chum wants a fancy looking website and loves the flash effects etc. how do I convince someone who couldnt care about code etc that a pretty all singing and dancing website is not as good as a html one?
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is it still the case it doesnt work on an iphone as if i put a flash site into here it still works ( dont have iphone )
http://www.testiphone.com/
http://www.testiphone.com/
Show them a website using Flash where you have to navigate through a few pages to something, then accidently press the browsers "back" button and watch in horror at being taken right the way back to the initial splash screen. Losing all the previous navigation.
Or show them Firefox running Flashblock
Or show them Firefox running Flashblock
loltolhurst said:
right...
everyone on ph seems to agree flash is crap so how do you actually go about convincing somoone whos not a geek? my chum wants a fancy looking website and loves the flash effects etc. how do I convince someone who couldnt care about code etc that a pretty all singing and dancing website is not as good as a html one?
ta
Not everyone, just the Apple fans.everyone on ph seems to agree flash is crap so how do you actually go about convincing somoone whos not a geek? my chum wants a fancy looking website and loves the flash effects etc. how do I convince someone who couldnt care about code etc that a pretty all singing and dancing website is not as good as a html one?
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Flash is excellent and can help produce wonderful sites when used properly. This is no different than HTML it's all about the quality of the work. HTML isn't better, it's different.
Sites that try to just rely on Flash often come off badly but when Flash is used as it's supposed to be used as part of a site, it can produce really good results.
85% of sites use it, they can't be all wrong.
Plotloss said:
Content in the flash can't be indexed
Not every browser is flash compliant
Flash doesnt work with screen readers
Flash adds to page load time which is a valuable commodity with expert users
Flash content cant be language translated
Not every browser is flash compliant
Flash doesnt work with screen readers
Flash adds to page load time which is a valuable commodity with expert users
Flash content cant be language translated
All of the above.Plus of course that usability studies have shown that flash can be intrusive to the user's experience.
Any flash effect worth it's place on a site can now be fairly easily recreated with a javascript library such as jQuery.
Ordinary_Chap said:
Not everyone, just the Apple fans.
Flash is excellent and can help produce wonderful sites when used properly. This is no different than HTML it's all about the quality of the work. HTML isn't better, it's different.
Sites that try to just rely on Flash often come off badly but when Flash is used as it's supposed to be used as part of a site, it can produce really good results.
85% of sites use it, they can't be all wrong.
About 85% of sites regularly fail accessibility tests - eg for screen readers. Doesn't mean they are well designed.... Flash is excellent and can help produce wonderful sites when used properly. This is no different than HTML it's all about the quality of the work. HTML isn't better, it's different.
Sites that try to just rely on Flash often come off badly but when Flash is used as it's supposed to be used as part of a site, it can produce really good results.
85% of sites use it, they can't be all wrong.
Agree that flash is there to supplement a user experience, but please don't drive an entire experience through it. Don't put any core information into the flash that isn't available as text.
Simple response - why does the site owner care about what is used to implement his site?
Ask him what his requierments are.
For content. Accessability. Integration into style guidelines. Target market. etc etc etc.
Then design a site that meets those requirements using whatever technology is appropriate. The worst thing you can do is choose your solution before you know what the problem is...
Ask him what his requierments are.
For content. Accessability. Integration into style guidelines. Target market. etc etc etc.
Then design a site that meets those requirements using whatever technology is appropriate. The worst thing you can do is choose your solution before you know what the problem is...
plg101 said:
Ordinary_Chap said:
Not everyone, just the Apple fans.
Flash is excellent and can help produce wonderful sites when used properly. This is no different than HTML it's all about the quality of the work. HTML isn't better, it's different.
Sites that try to just rely on Flash often come off badly but when Flash is used as it's supposed to be used as part of a site, it can produce really good results.
85% of sites use it, they can't be all wrong.
About 85% of sites regularly fail accessibility tests - eg for screen readers. Doesn't mean they are well designed.... Flash is excellent and can help produce wonderful sites when used properly. This is no different than HTML it's all about the quality of the work. HTML isn't better, it's different.
Sites that try to just rely on Flash often come off badly but when Flash is used as it's supposed to be used as part of a site, it can produce really good results.
85% of sites use it, they can't be all wrong.
Agree that flash is there to supplement a user experience, but please don't drive an entire experience through it. Don't put any core information into the flash that isn't available as text.
hing about it.The point I was trying to make is, Flash is fine when coded properly in the same way as HTML is.
Ordinary_Chap said:
Not everyone, just the Apple fans.
wrong, im not an apple fan 
I get sick of waiting for some of the flash sites to load and really only bother if i really need to be on that site.
I think if you are an arty/creative site then your visitors are probably going to like a flash site experiance. If your visitors are civil engineers... a flash site will only annoy them...
this is quite a good combo site http://www.santana.com/
Is it a business website?
as a non web designer person just a person who looks at them
Useful on a website
information such as telephone numbers, opening hours, prices etc
Not useful
A lovely scrolly flipping thing that plays an annoying tune and use up half my processor and tells me nothing whatsoever about the company
Sadly not useful is becoming more and more popular
as a non web designer person just a person who looks at them
Useful on a website
information such as telephone numbers, opening hours, prices etc
Not useful
A lovely scrolly flipping thing that plays an annoying tune and use up half my processor and tells me nothing whatsoever about the company
Sadly not useful is becoming more and more popular
TonyToniTone said:
The problem with this, which was well publicised at the time, is that it only works when Flash is embedded in a certain way. If you use the standard approach (using JavaScript as it happens) then Google cannot access it nor index it. AFAIK this hasn't yet been fixed.ETA: this does now seem to be improved: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2009/06...
Edited by JohnnyPanic on Saturday 13th February 13:49
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