Passworded Word Docs
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Graham.J

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5,420 posts

283 months

Saturday 28th February 2004
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A friend of mine has put a password on a word doc but she's forgotten the password.

Does anyone know how to get around this and remove the password protection?

TIA

Graham

Big Al.

69,334 posts

282 months

Saturday 28th February 2004
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Why bother open it up in read only mode as "save as" another file,

Whilst your in save as mode go into Tools/ General options and make sure there you delete any passwords that appear.

Job done. OH

_DJ_

5,052 posts

278 months

Saturday 28th February 2004
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If it's passworded so that it cannot be opened then there are commerical tools available to crack the password. It'll cost you though.

Graham.J

Original Poster:

5,420 posts

283 months

Saturday 28th February 2004
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Thanks chaps

atom290

1,015 posts

281 months

Saturday 28th February 2004
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Can you open it?

If so then all you have to do is open it read only

If not, and you cannot open it, I have a tool that will unlock it, it takes ages but its free

Graham.J

Original Poster:

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283 months

Saturday 28th February 2004
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This tool sounds good, she can't open the file without the password.

luca brazzi

3,982 posts

289 months

Saturday 28th February 2004
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email it to me, and I'll send back the file without the password.

LB

Graham.J

Original Poster:

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283 months

Saturday 28th February 2004
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Thanks Steve, will get the file off her and drop an email your way.

luca brazzi

3,982 posts

289 months

Saturday 28th February 2004
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All done...

LB to the rescue

Graham.J

Original Poster:

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Saturday 28th February 2004
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luca brazzi said:
LB to the rescue


luca brazzi

3,982 posts

289 months

Saturday 28th February 2004
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lol


:blushing:

LB

leosayer

7,713 posts

268 months

Saturday 28th February 2004
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Bloody eck! That's worrying. How secure are passwords then? Or are there special techniques for generating uncrackable ones then? Like not using words from the dictionary etc etc

luca brazzi

3,982 posts

289 months

Saturday 28th February 2004
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There's lots of software available to do this sort of stuff.....but it does make you realise the benefit of setting a long password that isn't a real word.

This one happened to be a 4 letter dictionary word "fine". Took less than 1 second.

LB

onedsla

1,135 posts

280 months

Monday 1st March 2004
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Do all the tools for office docs work by throwing billions of passwords at the document, or does anybody have one which can extract / remove the password?

atom290

1,015 posts

281 months

Monday 1st March 2004
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I tried looking at the header files of a document once to see if you could extract the password.

hmmmmmmmmm

Im sure it is possible, but I’m not sure how.

My tool just cycled through dictionary names then started going through all the permutations, that takes a long time though especially if you add numerical’s as well.

pbrettle

3,280 posts

307 months

Monday 1st March 2004
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Couple of things about this - Microsoft put password protection into Office 95 products to provide a level of security to prevent editing. It used a basic obfuscation technique (similar to ROT13 if anyone knows this). Basically the cracking tools for this were a case of running through the document and trying to match words up with combinations - i.e. looking for things like "the" and working backwards to the password used.

The advent of Office 98 and above introduced a decent password protection system that used a proprietary protocol for basically encrypting the word document from the password. This wasnt strong because the password was used as the key and hence you can decipher the document from working backwards again - stronger but not strong.

Office XP uses a strong password mechanism with a decent encryption system. This too can be attacked as crypto-analysis can be very effective against a document - you look for words and patterns and try and crack it backwards from there - by definition a Word document is English (or whatever) and therefore structure and content are relatively easy to break!

To be 100% honest, if you want protection for Office documents, dont use the Microsoft supplied systems. They are OK, but not strong enough. You should really look at commercial systems for encryption and protect them that way. However, for basic functionality they are sufficient.

P.S. Crypto-analysis is something that I have done in the past - its really dull