Sky dish info please.

[porka944s]

I wondered if i put a normal tv ariel connector onto a sky cable from the dish, would a tv be able to tune into the free terrestial channels, i remember a virgin media installer telling me you could do it with cable, but is it the same with sky?

[chevykevv]

No.

[stigmundfreud]

porka944s said:

I wondered if i put a normal tv ariel connector onto a sky cable from the dish, would a tv be able to tune into the free terrestial channels, i remember a virgin media installer telling me you could do it with cable, but is it the same with sky?

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[Mr2Mike]

porka944s said:

I wondered if i put a normal tv ariel connector onto a sky cable from the dish, would a tv be able to tune into the free terrestial channels, i remember a virgin media installer telling me you could do it with cable, but is it the same with sky?

This will work, but only in conjunction with another modification. Unbolt the Sky disk and replace with a terrestrial antenna...

[matchmaker]

porka944s said:

I wondered if i put a normal tv ariel connector onto a sky cable from the dish, would a tv be able to tune into the free terrestial channels, i remember a virgin media installer telling me you could do it with cable, but is it the same with sky?

Is this a serious question? If so, it ranks high in the "I am stupid" chart.

[porka944s]

explain to me why it is so stupid, what technically is the difference between the signal in a sky cable and an ariel cable, and why would it work with a cable installation like virgin and not a dish installation.as you are so clever ill thank you once you explain it to me at a sufficient level.

enlighten me

Edited by porka944s on Monday 10th May 11:51

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porka944s said:

explain to me why it is so stupid, what technically is the difference between the signal in a sky cable and an ariel cable, and why would it work with a cable installation like virgin and not a dish installation.as you so clever ill thank you once you explain it to me at a sufficient level.

enlighten me

I think we should start with the basics first, though.

When a man very much loves a woman, and a woman very much loves the man...

[convert]

porka944s said:

explain to me why it is so stupid, what technically is the difference between the signal in a sky cable and an ariel cable, and why would it work with a cable installation like virgin and not a dish installation.as you are so clever ill thank you once you explain it to me at a sufficient level.

enlighten me

Edited by porka944s on Monday 10th May 11:51

Sir, Please step away from the internet and place your computer back in the box.

[porka944s]

As i thought...no real technical explaination because you dont know, but asking here i should have expected sarcasm.

[matchmaker]

porka944s said:

explain to me why it is so stupid, what technically is the difference between the signal in a sky cable and an ariel cable, and why would it work with a cable installation like virgin and not a dish installation.as you are so clever ill thank you once you explain it to me at a sufficient level.

enlighten me

Edited by porka944s on Monday 10th May 11:51

Sorry, don't know if I can go that low - but I'll try. If this worked, why do millions of Sky customers need a Sky digibox?

[Plotloss]

porka944s said:

As i thought...no real technical explaination because you dont know, but asking here i should have expected sarcasm.

Right, here goes.

Terrestrial Television is transmitted in the UHF spectrum, the radio waves are transmitted to an aerial which collects the signal and forces them down a bit of wire to be decoded by the reciever.

Satellite television is again transmitted in the UHF spectrum but at a much higher frequency. The signal is collected by the dish and concentrated onto the low noise block, and transmitted down the wire for decoding by the reciever.

In simple terms the aerial can understand French and the dish can understand German.

You're asking the person that speaks German and only German to understand and translate a complex French paragraph.

[Meeja]

Plotloss said:

porka944s said:

As i thought...no real technical explaination because you dont know, but asking here i should have expected sarcasm.

In simple terms the aerial can understand French and the dish can understand German.

You're asking the person that speaks German and only German to understand and translate a complex French paragraph.

Love the simplicity!

[Fer]

Meeja said:

Plotloss said:

porka944s said:

As i thought...no real technical explaination because you dont know, but asking here i should have expected sarcasm.

In simple terms the aerial can understand French and the dish can understand German.

You're asking the person that speaks German and only German to understand and translate a complex French paragraph.

Love the simplicity!

I must remember this one, as my mum did the same thing, and then ditched the connector. I had a mare of a task trying to fix this when I got them a freesat HD box.

[porka944s]

Thank you for an intelligent answer. i did read something about some tv tuners being able to tune into the different frequency versions of 1-5 and thats why you can get some channels down the virgin cable. I wont try it now, thanks for the answer. Cheers

[bholleran]

Ok, I know I am going to get flamed for this one, but it is a genuine question.

I understand that the dish works at one frequency and the antenna at another, but in addition to the dish collecting the higher frequency wave does it not also collect the lower frequency wave at the same time?

I am only asking about analog signals now, i.e could you use the dish a replacment for an analog tv antenna.

Or is it something to do with the angle of the dish would not focus at the correct point for an analog system?

Just Curious no intention of trying it.

Edited by bholleran on Monday 10th May 13:29

[porka944s]

i also read some where that you can use what ever you like as an ariel, it just depends how good you want it to be, i.e coat hangers with tvs. Thats kinda why i asked, does a sky dish still work as an ariel. You get the odd informative answer and the odd 18,000 poster giving you crap when presumably they have no or little technical knowledge of how things actually work.

[Plotloss]

bholleran said:

Ok, I know I am going to get flamed for this one, but it is a genuine question.

I understand that the dish works at one frequency and the antenna at another, but in addition to the dish collecting the higher frequency wave does it not also collect the lower frequency wave at the same time?

I am only asking about analog signals now, i.e could you use the dish a replacment for an analog tv antenna.

Or is it something to do with the angle of the dish would not focus at the correct point for an analog system?

Just Curious no intention of trying it.

Edited by bholleran on Monday 10th May 13:29

With an aerial the whole frame collects the signal and jams it down the wire.

With a dish the signal is concentrated onto the LNB and jammed down the wire from there.

All the dish is is a concentrator. The LNB wont pass the correct frequencies so it wont work.

I guess you could ghetto rig something up that would work but it would be just be easier and cheaper to buy an aerial...

[aclivity]

porka944s said:

Thank you for an intelligent answer. i did read something about some tv tuners being able to tune into the different frequency versions of 1-5 and thats why you can get some channels down the virgin cable. I wont try it now, thanks for the answer. Cheers

You used to be able to get some channels from a TV connected directly to the Virgin cable; most areas have now had the analogue feed cut so you can't any more.

To use the above analogy, whilst the TV can decode French and the Dish can pick up German, the cable now only speaks Icelandic.

[tog]

Yes, you can get the normal channels, for free, through a Sky dish.

The question is not stupid at all, but is just missing a step. If you don't want to pay Murdoch for Sky, all you need is a Freesat box, about £50. A Sky dish should be able to get Freesat with no issues, and will indeed give you the normal 'terrestrial' channels. (As has been explained, it won't pick up the actual terrestrial signal obviously, but BBC1, BBC2, ITV, Channel 4 and Five are all broadcast from satellite as well.) You just need to connect a Freesat (or non-Sky) satellite receiver to the signal from the dish. Some new TVs have built-in Freesat decoders too, so you may not even need a box.

www.freesat.co.uk

[porka944s]

Cheers ill look into that!