Buying an Integrale Evo
Discussion
Help!
Am keen to buy a Delta Integrale Evo 2. What should I expect to pay for a mint one? Are Japanese imports worth less Than originally imported uk cars?
Are the numerous special editions worth much of a premium over stock evos?
Can anyone recommend a specialist who retails them ( most of the cars advertised seem to be retailed off two car lots who don't actually appear to be Evo/lancia specialists?
Are modified cars less desirable than an original car?
Any help from current or past owners appreciated.
BATSTER
Am keen to buy a Delta Integrale Evo 2. What should I expect to pay for a mint one? Are Japanese imports worth less Than originally imported uk cars?
Are the numerous special editions worth much of a premium over stock evos?
Can anyone recommend a specialist who retails them ( most of the cars advertised seem to be retailed off two car lots who don't actually appear to be Evo/lancia specialists?
Are modified cars less desirable than an original car?
Any help from current or past owners appreciated.
BATSTER
Walkers Garage, Tanc Barrett, and John Whalley are all excellent, know their stuff, and are willing to help. The special editions do command big money, not really sure why, but the Final Edition is a really nice looking car, they were Japanese market only. I don't think there are any performance enhancements on the special editions apart from the fact that the Final Edition is lowered by about an inch. Lanciasport.com forum is a good source of info.
They're an old car now, and there are plenty of newer cars that handle better and are faster off the mark, but on a windy B road they are heaps of fun and ard to keep up with. I found that adding a rear strut brace made a huge difference in my little early 8v integrale.
Drive a few and see what you think, ask lots of questions and you'll be fine, I love mine, and would've bought an Evo if there were any for sale when I was looking, but now I have it it'll never be sold.
They're an old car now, and there are plenty of newer cars that handle better and are faster off the mark, but on a windy B road they are heaps of fun and ard to keep up with. I found that adding a rear strut brace made a huge difference in my little early 8v integrale.
Drive a few and see what you think, ask lots of questions and you'll be fine, I love mine, and would've bought an Evo if there were any for sale when I was looking, but now I have it it'll never be sold.
^exactly^
had a few of them, great cars but worth getting checked professionally if buying privately, all ours were checked on owners site by a very reputable Integrale specialist from wales (Bob brain), he used an endoscope of some kind to check susp. turrets & difficult to get to areas for rust (the main arch enemy of the evo)
of the 5 he inspected we bought 2, one i bought without him turned out to need some metal work.
had a few of them, great cars but worth getting checked professionally if buying privately, all ours were checked on owners site by a very reputable Integrale specialist from wales (Bob brain), he used an endoscope of some kind to check susp. turrets & difficult to get to areas for rust (the main arch enemy of the evo)
of the 5 he inspected we bought 2, one i bought without him turned out to need some metal work.
In my opinion the origin of the car has no baring on it's value, at the age they are now condition is the most important thing. I'm biased but I would say it is a fact that most Japanese integrales are in better condition than cars that have been in the UK for some or most of their life. This is not universally true though as most importers will try to tell you - rusty cars do exist out there too, there's just less of them.
I've imported integrales from Japan for the last 6 years and the decent quality cars used to be much more affordable. What you find now is that the only affordable integrales need a lot of money spending on them before they are up to what I would call acceptable condition. To give you an idea, I often spend 30% or more of the purchase price putting the cars right when I get them. All the best integrales are selling for big money in Japan and staying in the country. I would expect any integrale recently imported from Japan to have either a decent sized bill for work done since import or an inspection report from a specialist.
The special editions are a lot more expensive these days although this was not really the case until the last few years. It comes down to whether you want that particular colour scheme/interior or not as they are all mechanically the same.
Regarding price, I don't think the lower priced cars are necassarily worse. The two dealers that you mention have paid top money for the cars that they've imported and can't afford to sell them for any less. The higher price is not an indication of a better car. I'd say £12k would by you a decent Evo 1, £15k+ for a similar Evo 2.
Cheers,
Bryn.
I've imported integrales from Japan for the last 6 years and the decent quality cars used to be much more affordable. What you find now is that the only affordable integrales need a lot of money spending on them before they are up to what I would call acceptable condition. To give you an idea, I often spend 30% or more of the purchase price putting the cars right when I get them. All the best integrales are selling for big money in Japan and staying in the country. I would expect any integrale recently imported from Japan to have either a decent sized bill for work done since import or an inspection report from a specialist.
The special editions are a lot more expensive these days although this was not really the case until the last few years. It comes down to whether you want that particular colour scheme/interior or not as they are all mechanically the same.
Regarding price, I don't think the lower priced cars are necassarily worse. The two dealers that you mention have paid top money for the cars that they've imported and can't afford to sell them for any less. The higher price is not an indication of a better car. I'd say £12k would by you a decent Evo 1, £15k+ for a similar Evo 2.
Cheers,
Bryn.
I agree with Bryn's comments. He has a nice lord blue car for sale in the classifieds but too modest to mention it!! (although its an Evo 1)
Depends on your budget but....
I would avoid ultra low mileage and therefore very pricey options because you will not want to put miles on it. Get a good sound useable car with a clear history and get it checked. Limited editions will always command a premium but for me a Monza evo looks the dogs b's and the are hardly common! Evo 2's seem to be generally better screwed together.
Thought this looked OK (again a 1 though)
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3214518.htm
Mine was from Walkers in Northallerton as after looking at a few privately I decide to pay a bit more for peace of mind. There doesnt seem to be much about at the moment apart from the Japenese imports from traders who are relatively new to the integrale.
Worth talking to
John Whalley
Walkers
Tanc Barrett
Allitalia
Auto integrale
Performance Legends
Some of these guys specialise in servicing and spares rather than sales but might know of decent cars that are coming up for sale.
Depends on your budget but....
I would avoid ultra low mileage and therefore very pricey options because you will not want to put miles on it. Get a good sound useable car with a clear history and get it checked. Limited editions will always command a premium but for me a Monza evo looks the dogs b's and the are hardly common! Evo 2's seem to be generally better screwed together.
Thought this looked OK (again a 1 though)
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3214518.htm
Mine was from Walkers in Northallerton as after looking at a few privately I decide to pay a bit more for peace of mind. There doesnt seem to be much about at the moment apart from the Japenese imports from traders who are relatively new to the integrale.
Worth talking to
John Whalley
Walkers
Tanc Barrett
Allitalia
Auto integrale
Performance Legends
Some of these guys specialise in servicing and spares rather than sales but might know of decent cars that are coming up for sale.
Edited by andy-integrale on Friday 7th October 21:03
Walkers history is always good in your file when you come to sell it. They are THE known UK name, this si especially true if you sell your car abroad, everybody knows Walkers.
Tanc is a legend for getting spare parts.
Whalley is the other major known "name".
The other major guys have all been mentioned. Of them all the guy I would say is the most useful contact to have in Tanc, because the one thing you will come across running a Grale in the UK is that whilst mechanical parts can always/usuall be found, bodywork wise you can be as stuffed as stuffed can get. If you need help then if anybody can sort you, its Tanc.
Agreed about the high backed EVO II seats, but for Gods sake avoid that horrible velour, alcantara crap and get the proper leather. Tan. It looks brilliant.
Tanc is a legend for getting spare parts.
Whalley is the other major known "name".
The other major guys have all been mentioned. Of them all the guy I would say is the most useful contact to have in Tanc, because the one thing you will come across running a Grale in the UK is that whilst mechanical parts can always/usuall be found, bodywork wise you can be as stuffed as stuffed can get. If you need help then if anybody can sort you, its Tanc.
Agreed about the high backed EVO II seats, but for Gods sake avoid that horrible velour, alcantara crap and get the proper leather. Tan. It looks brilliant.
One other thing, if you're thinking about heading up to AC Motors (formerly WRC Sales) to have a look at their stock, read this first...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
And then ask yourself why none of their integrales have the mileages stated on the adverts...
Cheers,
Bryn.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
And then ask yourself why none of their integrales have the mileages stated on the adverts...
Cheers,
Bryn.
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