Porsche Classic Communication Management Plus

[m444ttb]

Does anyone know whether this is available from Porsche GB? The link below say ‘Europe only’ but clearly we are in Europe and the mapping lists Great Britain. My old PCM1 is pretty crap so this would be an excellent OE looking update.

https://content.eu.porsche.com/prod/pag/classic/Cl...

I’m case that link doesn’t work, and for future reference, the part number is 99664259000

Edited by m444ttb on Saturday 11th April 08:09

[Scrump]

I would like to know the price for this. I am sure it won’t be cheap!

[m444ttb]

If I can’t find out in the meantime I’ll get a price from Swindon Porsche Centre once they’re open again. I’m assuming £1,500 minimum

[m444ttb]

Oh this site I’m Germany is suggesting just over 1,600 euros. So £1,500 might be about right

https://www.porsche-boeblingen.de/porsche-service/...

[Dammit]

It's a shame you can't plug the HVAC loom into the back of this new unit, that'd be a great way of cleaning up the controls and would mean that those of us who have deleted the lower centre console could buy this new PCM.

[m444ttb]

For touch screen HVAC controls? That’d be cool

[Dammit]

Yes - there are no physical cables/rods/whatever connecting the HVAC unit to the fans and so forth, so all the functions could be dealt with by an application running on the PCM. I guess the terminally handy could create a board that translates the signals from the cars HVAC system into signal format that the HVAC unit could accept, then write an application to handle it. Beyond my pay-grade, that side of things.

[m444ttb]

Not sure whether it’s new. I’ve seen websites give NLA type descriptions for stuff that isn’t yet available. As far as I can tell it share the same mappping as the single DIN stereo for the air cooled cars and that had been available for a few years now.

[m444ttb]

I've just had a quote back from Porsche Centre Swindon. To supply and fit (including Porsche Club GB discount) is £1,917 inc. VAT. That's not as bad as I thought it was going to be.

[RiccardoG]

Dammit said:

Yes - there are no physical cables/rods/whatever connecting the HVAC unit to the fans and so forth, so all the functions could be dealt with by an application running on the PCM. I guess the terminally handy could create a board that translates the signals from the cars HVAC system into signal format that the HVAC unit could accept, then write an application to handle it. Beyond my pay-grade, that side of things.

I recently got hold of some Christophorus magazines from the time of the launch of the 986/996. One issue has an article dedicated to the PCM, an exciting novelty back then.

There is a specific picture showing what appear to be HVAC controls from within the PCM system. In fact, I thought that maybe 996's had this and it was later taken out in 997s.

Maybe Porsche had always intended for them to be part of PCM but they were later removed? Or alternatively this is sort of "view only" configuration within PCM?

[m444ttb]

The PCM1 in my 996.2 has a screen where you can see the aircon settings but it's nothing more than that.

[RiccardoG]

m444ttb said:

The PCM1 in my 996.2 has a screen where you can see the aircon settings but it's nothing more than that.

Aha, I see... shame they didn't take it to the next level (or not, when you consider it would have tied in owners to PCM for life of the car).

[m444ttb]

Agreed. As they haven't deemed it important enough with the PCCM+ to provide a connection for the CD changer I doubt they'd have bothered with that either. As things stand my CD changer doesn't work (I think an old iPod adapter has been plugged in it's place), nav does work as the disc drive is dead, I don't have a full size SIM card to try the phone and haven't owned a tape since the Lion King soundtrack when I was 8. So beyond the radio and the screen with MPG etc on the climate controls is one of the few screens that's actually of any use now. Alas it's directly above the actual climate control unit and therefore totally pointless!

[ZeroH]

m444ttb said:

I've just had a quote back from Porsche Centre Swindon. To supply and fit (including Porsche Club GB discount) is £1,917 inc. VAT. That's not as bad as I thought it was going to be.

That implies 5hrs + to install?? Can't be right

[m444ttb]

Based on what? The price in Euros? Unfortunately I don't have a breakdown to confirm with my quote but I'd be surprised if it were more than 2 hours.

[Digga]

For perspective, I paid £1,385 fitted for a Kenwood DNX7170DABS, which included fibre optic lead, fascia plate and DAB antenna, for my 997.

Not cheap but it works beautifully, especially the nav and especially on those awkward autoroute junctions where you need to be in exactly the right lane about 1 mile before the junction and seeming less than 50 yards after the first signage that you invariably don't see because there's a truck in the way.

[m444ttb]

anonymous said:

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This is Porsche's pricing strategy for just about everything isn't it? When it's unique components I don't mind quite so much. When they want to charge you 3x the price for a component made by the likes of Bosch that also appears on a load of VWs it takes the piss somewhat.

[ZeroH]

m444ttb said:

Based on what? The price in Euros? Unfortunately I don't have a breakdown to confirm with my quote but I'd be surprised if it were more than 2 hours.

Its 1350£ rrp... you mention pcgb discount so lets say 1250£... so thats implies close to 700£ labour !! Way too much.

[Digga]

m444ttb said:

This is Porsche's pricing strategy for just about everything isn't it? When it's unique components I don't mind quite so much. When they want to charge you 3x the price for a component made by the likes of Bosch that also appears on a load of VWs it takes the piss somewhat.

My daily is a 2018 VW T6 with nav. FWIW the navigation function is not a patch on the Kenwood (Garmin?) system. The rest is okay, I guess, but as I bought it principally for big screen navigation, I'm more than happy with the Kenwood.

[JulierPass]

I think the Porsche product is waaay overpriced for what you are getting. An Alpine or Kenwood unit is much better from both a functionality point of view and as someone else has said the Nav features are better thought out and clearer.