Christian Horner
Discussion
So, Geri couldn't attend the Saudia GP due to work commitments... sorting out another Spice Woman tour.
Miss X gets suspended,.. so has to stay at home.
Geri is suddenly, not very busy... How very convenient.
Please let it all end, one way or the other.
(Sooner rather than later).
Miss X gets suspended,.. so has to stay at home.
Geri is suddenly, not very busy... How very convenient.
Please let it all end, one way or the other.
(Sooner rather than later).
Edited by Milkyway on Saturday 9th March 12:49
You'd buy it in return for equity if you thought it undervalued or owned assets you can spin off. Debt if you felt it's a safe bet to give you a better return on the capital than you'd get chucking it at other opportunities.
Doesn't matter either way, Horner wouldn't struggle to fund a buyout (all things being equal). Professionally he's about as credible as you're going to get.
Doesn't matter either way, Horner wouldn't struggle to fund a buyout (all things being equal). Professionally he's about as credible as you're going to get.
Byker28i said:
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The other thing we know is Horner is a creepy sex pest. His personal reputation is in tatters currently. That Horny nickname is being openly used in the pitlane.
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This reads like the kind of juvenile gossip that wouldn't look out of place in a year 7 WhatsApp group.The other thing we know is Horner is a creepy sex pest. His personal reputation is in tatters currently. That Horny nickname is being openly used in the pitlane.
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I've never been a fan of Horner and despised him after AD21, but at least he would be remembered and respected for his multitude of achievements. Which is in stark contrast to you spending 18-24 hours of each day obsessively posting negative news about people you hate
DonkeyApple said:
It seems inevitable that heads will roll and unless others come out of the woodwork with stories against Horner or there is a lot more data against his behaviour then odds are the heads that roll will be selected on a monetary basis.
Indeed. When the story first broke about the 'controlling behaviour' there were probably a few Horner haters salivating at the thought of a stream of 'me too' style allegations of impropriety and harassment from women up and down the pit-lane.The opportunity was there, but none were forthcoming so Christian Horner isn't the Harvey Weinstein of the paddock that some in here so desperately want to paint him as.
The incident does indeed appear to be a one off, which adds credence to the notion that it was a sting job or was exaggerated/manipulated for maximum damage for the purposes of another agenda.
Derek Smith said:
This bit I've pulled from your post is, I think, the most surprising. RB must have some crisis managers. It would have been easy enough to defuse the situation, resolve it to the satisfaction of all parties (more or less) and then just let it fade into the past. Their intent should have been to kill the negative headlines. We've seen such things many times in the recent past. Apologising not for what was done but for, perhaps in this case, 'not being clear enough as to what I meant in my posts'. RB could suggest they've discussed the matter with their TP and are happy such a matter would not occur again. 'The complainant has been offered compensation, the total sum to be agreed between parties and will remain confidential.'
Horner's reputation was not his strong point. A little more damage wouldn't have hurt. It should have been of little concern.
Given what he posted, there has to be some contrition. There has to be compensation. There has to be some form of action that will take the sting out of the accusation. 'It's not what I meant. I can see why she'd misinterpret it.' Acceptance of fault by blaming it on someone else's actions. It normally works.
Crisis management has come a long way under the forcing of social media. RB has been left behind it would appear.
It appears that CH has the support of the Thai 51%. Is it possible that Thai culture is less concerned with such societal matters regarding improper behaviour? Maybe it's a more western thing? I genuinely have no idea - it's just a thought.Horner's reputation was not his strong point. A little more damage wouldn't have hurt. It should have been of little concern.
Given what he posted, there has to be some contrition. There has to be compensation. There has to be some form of action that will take the sting out of the accusation. 'It's not what I meant. I can see why she'd misinterpret it.' Acceptance of fault by blaming it on someone else's actions. It normally works.
Crisis management has come a long way under the forcing of social media. RB has been left behind it would appear.
Edited by suffolk009 on Saturday 9th March 13:21
Evercross said:
Indeed. When the story first broke about the 'controlling behaviour' there were probably a few Horner haters salivating at the thought of a stream of 'me too' style allegations of impropriety and harassment from women up and down the pit-lane.
The opportunity was there, but none were forthcoming so Christian Horner isn't the Harvey Weinstein of the paddock that some in here so desperately want to paint him as.
The incident does indeed appear to be a one off, which adds credence to the notion that it was a sting job or was exaggerated/manipulated for maximum damage for the purposes of another agenda.
Weinstein was abusing the stream of different female actors he saw every day, it wasn't a case of him abusing his relatively permanent fixed staff. The two situations are very different in terms of opportunity and conduct, so it would be highly unlikely you would see others come out of the woodwork in CH case.The opportunity was there, but none were forthcoming so Christian Horner isn't the Harvey Weinstein of the paddock that some in here so desperately want to paint him as.
The incident does indeed appear to be a one off, which adds credence to the notion that it was a sting job or was exaggerated/manipulated for maximum damage for the purposes of another agenda.
Because there isn't a stream of women coming forward does not mean this one case was a sting operation. That is an illogical and bizarre take on the situation.
suffolk009 said:
Derek Smith said:
This bit I've pulled from your post is, I think, the most surprising. RB must have some crisis managers. It would have been easy enough to defuse the situation, resolve it to the satisfaction of all parties (more or less) and then just let it fade into the past. Their intent should have been to kill the negative headlines. We've seen such things many times in the recent past. Apologising not for what was done but for, perhaps in this case, 'not being clear enough as to what I meant in my posts'. RB could suggest they've discussed the matter with their TP and are happy such a matter would not occur again. 'The complainant has been offered compensation, the total sum to be agreed between parties and will remain confidential.'
Horner's reputation was not his strong point. A little more damage wouldn't have hurt. It should have been of little concern.
Given what he posted, there has to be some contrition. There has to be compensation. There has to be some form of action that will take the sting out of the accusation. 'It's not what I meant. I can see why she'd misinterpret it.' Acceptance of fault by blaming it on someone else's actions. It normally works.
Crisis management has come a long way under the forcing of social media. RB has been left behind it would appear.
It appears that CH has the support of the Thai 51%. Is it possible that Thai culture is less concerned with such societal matters regarding improper behaviour? Maybe it's a more western thing? I genuinely have no idea - it's just a thought.
Horner's reputation was not his strong point. A little more damage wouldn't have hurt. It should have been of little concern.
Given what he posted, there has to be some contrition. There has to be compensation. There has to be some form of action that will take the sting out of the accusation. 'It's not what I meant. I can see why she'd misinterpret it.' Acceptance of fault by blaming it on someone else's actions. It normally works.
Crisis management has come a long way under the forcing of social media. RB has been left behind it would appear.
It appears that CH has the support of the Thai 51%. Is it possible that Thai culture is less concerned with such societal matters regarding improper behaviour? Maybe it's a more western thing? I genuinely have no idea - it's just a thought.
Edited by Kart16 on Saturday 9th March 13:25
Edited by Kart16 on Saturday 9th March 13:27
Mr Pointy said:
Wheelspinning said:
Mr Pointy said:
Wheelspinning said:
The PH experts seem to not understand this KC actually specialises in this subject matter and had all the available evidence to hand; it was then made it clear there was no case to answer, and spelled it out clearly that dismissing Horner based on these allegations would be a very, very costly exercise.
How do you know this?If the KC had finished his review and stated they had a real problem with Horners conduct, they would act and not endure the bad pr.
It was obvious deemed not great, but not bad enough to dismiss.
Whilst not pretty, Red Bull have weighed up the findings on what would cause more damage to the team, and what's most beneficial to the team, and thrown full weight on that choice moving on.
I do not require to read a posters opinion on here to understand anything.
Was Donkey apple the KC? Is CH donkey apple? Is Donkey apple the accuser?
The facts are simple; what do you not understand.
A KC was hired, looked into the situation and advised RB of the findings.
With 49% allegedly wanting him gone, if it was clear cut, the other 51% would have a really hard call to back him.
RB acted on these findings, dismissed any action against CH, backed him to the hilt, suspended the accuser and now are looking into another RB senior figure with a view of potential disciplinary action, as quoted by the individual himself.
What am I not understanding of the whole procedure that you and donkey apple have an alternative view?
Wheelspinning said:
With 49% allegedly wanting him gone, if it was clear cut, the other 51% would have a really hard call to back him.
You have no idea what Mr 51% thinks. Spend some time around the seriously wealthy of this world and you will discover they often have zero problem backing the side that aligns with their requirements.so where are we today....
I'm not going to have a go at anyone because MOST people on here believe what they write so that's their opinion but most people when they predict what will happen look at it from their own view point not that of a Thai guy worth in excess of $30 BILLION.
Others just haven't been taking too much notice when they write things like
"RB must have some crisis managers. It would have been easy enough to defuse the situation, resolve it to the satisfaction of all parties (more or less) and then just let it fade into the past. "
It's not "easy" when one side of the company is hell bent on their objective to get CH disgraced and fired no matter what was offered . Keep up.
As for other comments in the last week about "Oh they won't want to risk a tribunal " or "She will have a field day in Court" "Or it will be in the news for a couple more weeks which the sponsors won't like"
LOL.
Red Bull probably would have a tribunal a day somewhere in the world if they weren't paid off before it gets there.
I said she should take her 7 figure cheque and be happy and hopefully that is what has happened.
Sponsors - as others have said All that matters is winning and "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"
Unless there is a video of someone with their knee on someone's throat killing them, big companies keep quiet unless they are 100% certain they have never done ANYTHING wrong.
So playing away with the PA ( and the claim being dismissed and her being labelled dishonest) is way down the scale of things to withdraw our sponsorship over.
MR 51%. - Billionaires don't have the same rules in life we do and I'm sorry to burst the bubble of some of the people on here but don't shoot the messenger because you are naïve,.
If you researched Mr 51% you would know his son and heir killed a police officer by crashing his Ferrari into his motorbike back in 2012. Despite the forensic evidence saying he was doing 179km/h at the time he avoided court hearings for 5 years despite uproar in the country about the rich ignoring the rules.
Even the Prime Minister called for justice. Cue the son leaving the country.
The case was reopened and a witness now said he thought the speed was 79 km/h in an 80 limit.
Case closed said the police.
More up roar.
More Prime Minister intervention.
witness confirmed only do 79 km/h. amazing how they were so accurate.
Prosecutors said they were going to interrogate witnesses again.
THE NEXT DAY he died in a motorcycle accident.
in 2020 the Police chief who closed the case each time and 7 officers were arrested for corruption.
result. Son still awol. but charges filed in 2017 expire in 2027. mind you he will probably never come back to the country as they might file new charges in 2027.
Anyway..... cue news reports that say Mr 51% looks at CH like an adopted son..
so a few front pages of the daily rags and items on This Morning type shows are of no worry to him ..
and my final thought to the poster who wrote Mr 51% "will want to get the full market value" ,,, blah blah
How do you know he won't give CH his 51% share worth $2 Billion for a token $1... as thanks for building the teams, because that is just 6% of his estimated wealth . There was talk of a consortium so of course it won't be $1 but he might give CH 33% for free so he matches Toto. we have no idea.
So by all means crack on with your thoughts but maybe try thinking like a Billionaire who gets his own way and doesn't even care what the Prime Minister in his home country thinks, before saying he doesn't want a tribunal in England. and Christian will struggle to get finance.....
I'm not going to have a go at anyone because MOST people on here believe what they write so that's their opinion but most people when they predict what will happen look at it from their own view point not that of a Thai guy worth in excess of $30 BILLION.
Others just haven't been taking too much notice when they write things like
"RB must have some crisis managers. It would have been easy enough to defuse the situation, resolve it to the satisfaction of all parties (more or less) and then just let it fade into the past. "
It's not "easy" when one side of the company is hell bent on their objective to get CH disgraced and fired no matter what was offered . Keep up.
As for other comments in the last week about "Oh they won't want to risk a tribunal " or "She will have a field day in Court" "Or it will be in the news for a couple more weeks which the sponsors won't like"
LOL.
Red Bull probably would have a tribunal a day somewhere in the world if they weren't paid off before it gets there.
I said she should take her 7 figure cheque and be happy and hopefully that is what has happened.
Sponsors - as others have said All that matters is winning and "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"
Unless there is a video of someone with their knee on someone's throat killing them, big companies keep quiet unless they are 100% certain they have never done ANYTHING wrong.
So playing away with the PA ( and the claim being dismissed and her being labelled dishonest) is way down the scale of things to withdraw our sponsorship over.
MR 51%. - Billionaires don't have the same rules in life we do and I'm sorry to burst the bubble of some of the people on here but don't shoot the messenger because you are naïve,.
If you researched Mr 51% you would know his son and heir killed a police officer by crashing his Ferrari into his motorbike back in 2012. Despite the forensic evidence saying he was doing 179km/h at the time he avoided court hearings for 5 years despite uproar in the country about the rich ignoring the rules.
Even the Prime Minister called for justice. Cue the son leaving the country.
The case was reopened and a witness now said he thought the speed was 79 km/h in an 80 limit.
Case closed said the police.
More up roar.
More Prime Minister intervention.
witness confirmed only do 79 km/h. amazing how they were so accurate.
Prosecutors said they were going to interrogate witnesses again.
THE NEXT DAY he died in a motorcycle accident.
in 2020 the Police chief who closed the case each time and 7 officers were arrested for corruption.
result. Son still awol. but charges filed in 2017 expire in 2027. mind you he will probably never come back to the country as they might file new charges in 2027.
Anyway..... cue news reports that say Mr 51% looks at CH like an adopted son..
so a few front pages of the daily rags and items on This Morning type shows are of no worry to him ..
and my final thought to the poster who wrote Mr 51% "will want to get the full market value" ,,, blah blah
How do you know he won't give CH his 51% share worth $2 Billion for a token $1... as thanks for building the teams, because that is just 6% of his estimated wealth . There was talk of a consortium so of course it won't be $1 but he might give CH 33% for free so he matches Toto. we have no idea.
So by all means crack on with your thoughts but maybe try thinking like a Billionaire who gets his own way and doesn't even care what the Prime Minister in his home country thinks, before saying he doesn't want a tribunal in England. and Christian will struggle to get finance.....
Edited by GPH on Saturday 9th March 14:08
Wheelspinning said:
Mr Pointy said:
Wheelspinning said:
Mr Pointy said:
Wheelspinning said:
The PH experts seem to not understand this KC actually specialises in this subject matter and had all the available evidence to hand; it was then made it clear there was no case to answer, and spelled it out clearly that dismissing Horner based on these allegations would be a very, very costly exercise.
How do you know this?If the KC had finished his review and stated they had a real problem with Horners conduct, they would act and not endure the bad pr.
It was obvious deemed not great, but not bad enough to dismiss.
Whilst not pretty, Red Bull have weighed up the findings on what would cause more damage to the team, and what's most beneficial to the team, and thrown full weight on that choice moving on.
I do not require to read a posters opinion on here to understand anything.
Was Donkey apple the KC? Is CH donkey apple? Is Donkey apple the accuser?
The facts are simple; what do you not understand.
A KC was hired, looked into the situation and advised RB of the findings.
With 49% allegedly wanting him gone, if it was clear cut, the other 51% would have a really hard call to back him.
RB acted on these findings, dismissed any action against CH, backed him to the hilt, suspended the accuser and now are looking into another RB senior figure with a view of potential disciplinary action, as quoted by the individual himself.
What am I not understanding of the whole procedure that you and donkey apple have an alternative view?
Whatever the KC's legal opinion was of the strength or weakness of the claim, RBR have seemingly made their decision which is that the person bringing the grievance had sufficient merit to be offered a settlement again but insufficient to warrant the sacking of the other person. This is always going to be a grey area in itself as the company has also to weigh up the potential financial and business cost of their decision. As it stands, it looks as if the cost is being defined by how much the person may or may not be able to make selling their story, the the comment re €1m made earlier is correct.
suffolk009 said:
Derek Smith said:
This bit I've pulled from your post is, I think, the most surprising. RB must have some crisis managers. It would have been easy enough to defuse the situation, resolve it to the satisfaction of all parties (more or less) and then just let it fade into the past. Their intent should have been to kill the negative headlines. We've seen such things many times in the recent past. Apologising not for what was done but for, perhaps in this case, 'not being clear enough as to what I meant in my posts'. RB could suggest they've discussed the matter with their TP and are happy such a matter would not occur again. 'The complainant has been offered compensation, the total sum to be agreed between parties and will remain confidential.'
Horner's reputation was not his strong point. A little more damage wouldn't have hurt. It should have been of little concern.
Given what he posted, there has to be some contrition. There has to be compensation. There has to be some form of action that will take the sting out of the accusation. 'It's not what I meant. I can see why she'd misinterpret it.' Acceptance of fault by blaming it on someone else's actions. It normally works.
Crisis management has come a long way under the forcing of social media. RB has been left behind it would appear.
It appears that CH has the support of the Thai 51%. Is it possible that Thai culture is less concerned with such societal matters regarding improper behaviour? Maybe it's a more western thing? I genuinely have no idea - it's just a thought.Horner's reputation was not his strong point. A little more damage wouldn't have hurt. It should have been of little concern.
Given what he posted, there has to be some contrition. There has to be compensation. There has to be some form of action that will take the sting out of the accusation. 'It's not what I meant. I can see why she'd misinterpret it.' Acceptance of fault by blaming it on someone else's actions. It normally works.
Crisis management has come a long way under the forcing of social media. RB has been left behind it would appear.
Edited by suffolk009 on Saturday 9th March 13:21
Traditionally a Mia Noi is known to the "Mia Luang" (Main Wife) and refers to a known female. A Gik is usually a secret partner that is in an affair with the husband or wife.
GPH said:
so where are we today....
I'm not going to have a go at anyone because MOST people on here believe what they write so that's their opinion but most people when they predict what will happen look at it from their own view point not that of a Thai guy worth in excess of $30 BILLION.
Others just haven't been taking too much notice when they write things like
"RB must have some crisis managers. It would have been easy enough to defuse the situation, resolve it to the satisfaction of all parties (more or less) and then just let it fade into the past. "
It's not "easy" when one side of the company is hell bent on their objective to get CH disgraced and fired no matter what was offered . Keep up.
As for other comments in the last week about "Oh they won't want to risk a tribunal " or "She will have a field day in Court" "Or it will be in the news for a couple more weeks which the sponsors won't like"
LOL.
Red Bull probably would have a tribunal a day somewhere in the world if they weren't paid off before it gets there.
I said she should take her 7 figure cheque and be happy and hopefully that is what has happened.
Sponsors - as others have said All that matters is winning and "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"
Unless there is a video of someone with their knee on someone's throat killing them, big companies keep quiet unless they are 100% certain they have never done ANYTHING wrong.
So playing away with the PA ( and the claim being dismissed and her being labelled dishonest) is way down the scale of things to withdraw our sponsorship over.
MR 51%. - Billionaires don't have the same rules in life we do and I'm sorry to burst the bubble of some of the people on here but don't shoot the messenger because you are naïve,.
If you researched Mr 51% you would know his son and heir killed a police officer by crashing his Ferrari into his motorbike back in 2012. Despite the forensic evidence saying he was doing 179km/h at the time he avoided court hearings for 5 years despite uproar in the country about the rich ignoring the rules.
Even the Prime Minister called for justice. Cue the son leaving the country.
The case was reopened and a witness now said he thought the speed was 79 km/h in an 80 limit.
Case closed said the police.
More up roar.
More Prime Minister intervention.
witness confirmed only do 79 km/h. amazing how they were so accurate.
Prosecutors said they were going to interrogate witnesses again.
THE NEXT DAY he died in a motorcycle accident.
in 2020 the Police chief who closed the case each time and 7 officers were arrested for corruption.
result. Son still awol. but charges filed in 2017 expire in 2027. mind you he will probably never come back to the country as they might file new charges in 2027.
Anyway..... cue news reports that say Mr 51% looks at CH like an adopted son..
so a few front pages of the daily rags and items on This Morning type shows are of no worry to him ..
and my final thought to the poster who wrote Mr 51% "will want to get the full market value" ,,, blah blah
How do you know he won't give CH his 51% share worth $2 Billion for a token $1... as thanks for building the teams, because that is just 6% of his estimated wealth . There was talk of a consortium so of course it won't be $1 but he might give CH 33% for free so he matches Toto. we have no idea.
So by all means crack on with your thoughts but maybe try thinking like a Billionaire who gets his own way and doesn't even care what the Prime Minister in his home country thinks, before saying he doesn't want a tribunal in England. and Christian will struggle to get finance.....
Things have moved on in Thailand a little then. It used to be a few hundred thousand baht being passed over to the grieving parents on live tv.I'm not going to have a go at anyone because MOST people on here believe what they write so that's their opinion but most people when they predict what will happen look at it from their own view point not that of a Thai guy worth in excess of $30 BILLION.
Others just haven't been taking too much notice when they write things like
"RB must have some crisis managers. It would have been easy enough to defuse the situation, resolve it to the satisfaction of all parties (more or less) and then just let it fade into the past. "
It's not "easy" when one side of the company is hell bent on their objective to get CH disgraced and fired no matter what was offered . Keep up.
As for other comments in the last week about "Oh they won't want to risk a tribunal " or "She will have a field day in Court" "Or it will be in the news for a couple more weeks which the sponsors won't like"
LOL.
Red Bull probably would have a tribunal a day somewhere in the world if they weren't paid off before it gets there.
I said she should take her 7 figure cheque and be happy and hopefully that is what has happened.
Sponsors - as others have said All that matters is winning and "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"
Unless there is a video of someone with their knee on someone's throat killing them, big companies keep quiet unless they are 100% certain they have never done ANYTHING wrong.
So playing away with the PA ( and the claim being dismissed and her being labelled dishonest) is way down the scale of things to withdraw our sponsorship over.
MR 51%. - Billionaires don't have the same rules in life we do and I'm sorry to burst the bubble of some of the people on here but don't shoot the messenger because you are naïve,.
If you researched Mr 51% you would know his son and heir killed a police officer by crashing his Ferrari into his motorbike back in 2012. Despite the forensic evidence saying he was doing 179km/h at the time he avoided court hearings for 5 years despite uproar in the country about the rich ignoring the rules.
Even the Prime Minister called for justice. Cue the son leaving the country.
The case was reopened and a witness now said he thought the speed was 79 km/h in an 80 limit.
Case closed said the police.
More up roar.
More Prime Minister intervention.
witness confirmed only do 79 km/h. amazing how they were so accurate.
Prosecutors said they were going to interrogate witnesses again.
THE NEXT DAY he died in a motorcycle accident.
in 2020 the Police chief who closed the case each time and 7 officers were arrested for corruption.
result. Son still awol. but charges filed in 2017 expire in 2027. mind you he will probably never come back to the country as they might file new charges in 2027.
Anyway..... cue news reports that say Mr 51% looks at CH like an adopted son..
so a few front pages of the daily rags and items on This Morning type shows are of no worry to him ..
and my final thought to the poster who wrote Mr 51% "will want to get the full market value" ,,, blah blah
How do you know he won't give CH his 51% share worth $2 Billion for a token $1... as thanks for building the teams, because that is just 6% of his estimated wealth . There was talk of a consortium so of course it won't be $1 but he might give CH 33% for free so he matches Toto. we have no idea.
So by all means crack on with your thoughts but maybe try thinking like a Billionaire who gets his own way and doesn't even care what the Prime Minister in his home country thinks, before saying he doesn't want a tribunal in England. and Christian will struggle to get finance.....
Edited by GPH on Saturday 9th March 14:08
GPH said:
Others just haven't been taking too much notice when they write things like
"RB must have some crisis managers. It would have been easy enough to defuse the situation, resolve it to the satisfaction of all parties (more or less) and then just let it fade into the past. "
It's not "easy" when one side of the company is hell bent on their objective to get CH disgraced and fired no matter what was offered . Keep up.
I fear you’ve missed my point."RB must have some crisis managers. It would have been easy enough to defuse the situation, resolve it to the satisfaction of all parties (more or less) and then just let it fade into the past. "
It's not "easy" when one side of the company is hell bent on their objective to get CH disgraced and fired no matter what was offered . Keep up.
I didn’t suggest that the internecine battle for control of RBR was manageable. I am sorry I wasn’t clear enough to stop you misinterpreting what I posted. I was replying to Byker’s post, which was about RBR and Horner’s nightmare.
The main problem has been the leverage given to the media. There’s little evidence to suggest that an internal battle in RB, if there is one, has generated the scandal. I’m more in favour of the possibility, as many have suggested, certain individuals in RBR want Horner out and one, or more, have leaked the info of the scandal to the press. It’s more likely. Occam and all that.
There is a small industry over managing the press response, and the one aspect of this which we can be sure of is that there has been harmful coverage. We see it daily. The needs of the media are well understood. Control of the press is straightforward; give them answers. It won’t stop speculation of course, but it will stop the frenzy, which is what media control is all about. If there’s a result, the story’s dead. It won’t stop them digging of course, but a resolved complaint is yesterday’s news.
Attacking the press is often the wrong way to go, and Horner claiming that three of his children, and his media-savvy wife, have suffered under their onslaught doesn’t help him.
The media want to fill column inches/air time. That’s what press relations are there for.
Evercross said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
Until we see all the evidence and have all the facts we are all speculating as to what really happened (or didn’t).
You'll be waiting forever for that. The dirty revelations chapter of this saga is closed IMO.What is public knowledge is that Red Bull have reason to believe Marko and the PA acted dishonestly. They've gone on record saying that. If that ain't the case Marko and the PA have the opportunity to have their day in court. Red Bull also left the door open for the PA to appeal the decision not to uphold her complaint and she didn't walk through it.
It is perfectly reasonable to draw conclusions from both these things.
In an ideal world this would not have been made so public and it would (and should) have remained an internal matter as it should for any other business. Of course had there been a finding resulting in CH’s dismissal and this being the world of F1, that would have started a lot of speculation, just as there is now.
At least we still have plenty to speculate over if today’s race is another borefest 😂
Yes, there’s certainly some letting their dislike of Horner influence them, but there is also some letting their support of RB or their dislike of women getting the better of them. And some in the middle interpreting the evidence in either way.
To me both stories are perfectly valid, or perhaps something in the middle.
Horner is a naughty boy, caught bang to rights. 51% doesn’t care as he’s likely to make billions from a sale to Horner, so happy to pay off the lady and fire the troublemakers.
Horner is completely framed, lady in question paid off or similar, the group is caught and got rid of.
My best guess is Horner got caught, would have been fired in some companies but survived because of the big upside of spinning off the company.
To me both stories are perfectly valid, or perhaps something in the middle.
Horner is a naughty boy, caught bang to rights. 51% doesn’t care as he’s likely to make billions from a sale to Horner, so happy to pay off the lady and fire the troublemakers.
Horner is completely framed, lady in question paid off or similar, the group is caught and got rid of.
My best guess is Horner got caught, would have been fired in some companies but survived because of the big upside of spinning off the company.
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