RE: 2023 Mazda CX-60 3.3 D | PH Review

[Triumph Man]

This looks genuinely good - and intriguing. Just a shame those with a hard-on for electric cars have to wade in as usual…

[MrGTI6]

Vorix said:

I understand the focus is on efficiency but 254bhp from 3.3l is pretty poor these days, isn't it?

Seems like plenty to me. Should be reasonably under-stressed and well-suited to a large SUV.

I'd much rather have 254bhp from a 3.3 diesel than 240bhp from a 2.0 diesel like you get in the XC90, Discovery, etc.

[anonymous-user]

Mouse Rat said:

plfrench said:

Mouse Rat said:

Irrelevant as there are advantages of a 6 cly diesel over an EV. There are also advantages of EV over the Diesel. Different products.

Love that Mazda make this. Mazda interiors are top notch.

Other than range, which I mentioned above, what are they for this type of vehicle?

Are you going to buy one then?

No, because of size. But yes I recently went for 3.0tdi over EV options. Reasons;

Public charger availability & cost v diesel availability & cost. Charger anxiety. Flexibility, character, sound, fun.

Don't get me wrong I like EV's and they have advantages too.

I'd consider one, and will do when replacing my current car in 2025.

Current car is XC60 in diesel mild hybrid flavour, the Mazda appears to offer a similar package with more grunt and a 6 cylinder note/refinement as a bonus.

Pure EV doesn't work for me - 15k miles per year Inc many trips to Scottish Highlands and Islands, Lakes etc with very little charging availability.

[Familymad]

Same as above post. EV doesn’t work for our main car and this is on our radar. Really pleased big diesels are making a comeback. Test drove an E400d and had forgotten how epic the slug of torque a big lazy oil burner can be with a gruff track to it.

[Triumph Man]

Just been on youtube - it sounds like a slightly more refined M51D25

[seapod]

Mackofthejungle said:

C70R said:

Mackofthejungle said:

It depends on what you want. If you want to be able to drive 500+ miles without refilling, and want to be able to refill in 5 minutes, there's no choice. I think people continue to kid themselves about EVs.

People also tend to "kid themselves" about the amount of times they drive 500+ miles without refilling, or spend less than 5 minutes refilling on those long drives.

I didn't say I drove 500 miles, just that I filled up every 500 miles. Call that lazy, call it whatever, but I only stop for fuel every week or two, and it's usually not planned - the car just beeps at me. That's a luxury. To have an electric car and live in a UK city without a driveway is to make your life inconvenient.

This is the key point for many people regarding electric. It's not the range of a single journey - it's the need to think ahead and plan/connect your car to a tether after a few trips. I don't think it gets talked about often enough. It's the frequency of having to think/plan/do vs ICE which is irritating.

Case in point, chucking it down with rain yesterday evening.
Mrs SP - have you plugged the car in?
Me: No, you were driving it!
Mrs SP - well it will need a charge, so can you do it. Oh, and by the way you will need to move your car and the van on the drive as I parked at the bottom
Me: FFS! and soaked 10 mins later

A first world problem? Yes. Could it be avoided with prior planning and efficient household logistical execution? Of course. Does real life get in the way of all of this? 100%

[LasseV]

plfrench said:

I get it for markets that don’t have electricity readily available, but surely they’ll sell the square root of not a lot in the UK? It’s a prime vehicle type to benefit from the characteristics of being pure electric. Refinement and performance would be so much better as an EV.

Just baffling.

Huh? This Mazda does have 2500kg towing capacity. Good luck with EV for that.... And this is a car for long distance driving. EV's are not.

[cayman-black]

Even more interesting now as Diesel is becoming cheaper than petrol, perhaps Mazda are on to something.